From polls to mayorships to fundraising, GOP’s fallen and can’t get up

More ominous signs for the Republican party, following this month’s disastrous government shutdown and threat to sabotage the economy via a debt default.

The new polls are terrible for the Republicans, but more generally, there are signs that Republicans are losing the fight for the future.  Urban America – which keeps growing – is getting bluer by the day.

The top 10 mayorships in the US are now all held by Democrats.  And some worry that it’s a sign of the Republican party losing the demographic battle as America becomes more urban and more diverse.

And the trifecta of trouble for the GOP: The Democrats are rocking on the fundraising front, just as we have signs that conservative Republicans are holding back on donating to their party.


Polling disaster for the GOP, thanks to the Tea Party’s shutdown

But first, two new polls that are just awful for the GOP.

The first is the new PPP poll, commissioned by MoveOn.  PPP has surveyed 61 House districts since the shutdown began, and finds that Democrats could win back the House, and then some.  Of particular interest, PPP found a number of “safe” House districts now vulnerable, because of the shutdown.


Tea Party Rally

Tea Party rally. The Islamic symbol at the bottom right of the poster is a nice touch. Ira Bostic /

A new round of post-shutdown polling shows that Democrats not only have an opportunity to take back the House of Representatives next year, but that they could win a sizable majority if voter anger over the shutdown carries into 2014….

Republicans will likely find this third round of surveys to be the most alarming yet, given that the new results show substantial Republican vulnerability in many districts that were not even supposed to be close. Incumbent Republicans trail generic Democrats in 15 of the 25 districts we most recently surveyed. This means generic Democrats lead in 37 of 61 districts polled since the beginning of the government shutdown . Democrats Only need to net 17 seats in order to retake the House.

And the bad news for Republicans doesn’t stop there, because in the minority of the 61 districts where Republicans lead in the initial head-to-head question, 11 more Republicans fall behind once voters are informed that the Republican supported the government shutdown and 1 race becomes tied. This means that our results indicate Democrats have pickup opportunities in an astounding 49 of the 61 districts surveyed.

CNN’s new poll also spells trouble for the GOP in the House. CNN/ORC survey:

According to the survey, 54% say it’s a bad thing that the GOP controls the House, up 11 points from last December, soon after the 2012 elections when the Republicans kept control of the chamber. Only 38% say it’s a good thing the GOP controls the House, a 13-point dive from the end of last year.

This is the first time since the Republicans won back control of the House in the 2010 elections that a majority say their control of the chamber is bad for the country.

Greg Sargent over at the Washington Post crunches the CNN numbers a bit more, and finds that even moderates and Independent voters have turned against the GOP, as have seniors:

Tea party obama hitler guns

Tea Party email alert calling President Obama “America’s Hiter.”

The CNN poll is remarkable. It finds that 54 percent of Americans think continued GOP control of the House is bad for the country, including 59 percent of moderates and 53 percent of independents. (Only around a third of both groups say it’s good for the country.) Even a plurality of seniors — a crucial midterm constituency, along with indys, and a group Dems are working to win over — says GOP rule in the House is bad for the country, by 47-46.

GOP shut out of big city mayorships

Things aren’t looking any better for Republicans in terms of big city mayorships, and what it shows about the future of the GOP in urban America.  As mentioned above, the top 12 cities in America are all run by Democratic mayors.


Largely unnoticed in Washington, urban Republican politicians have emerged over the last year as perhaps the nation’s most severely endangered political species, as the party has either failed to compete for high-profile mayor’s offices or has been soundly rebuffed by voters. It’s a significant setback that some Republicans view as an ominous sign for the GOP in a country growing steadily more urban and diverse.

The starkest examples of GOP rollback come from New York, where frankly liberal Democrat Bill de Blasio currently leads Republican Joe Lhota, a former top Rudy Giuliani adviser, by more than 40 points; and Los Angeles, where the lone Republican candidate took just 16 percent in an open primary and failed even to qualify for the general election.

But the Republicans’ big-city drought is a setback that goes far beyond the country’s top two cities. In the year 2000, Republican mayors governed half of the country’s dozen largest cities by population. Some of the party’s most provocative leaders had come out of city hall, including New York’s Giuliani, Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan and Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith, the celebrated policy wonk and George W. Bush adviser.

Today, you have to go all the way down to Indianapolis – the country’s 13th-largest city – to find just one Republican mayor. Even cities that have historically preferred center-right mayors, such as Jacksonville and Phoenix, have turned away from the GOP.

Fundraising also a disaster for GOP (even pre-shutdown, but now worse)

Now for the fundraising. From National Journal:

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee raised $8.4 million in September, according to an aide with the group, a significant sum more than a year before next year’s election. The haul dwarfs the $5.3 million collected last month by the National Republican Congressional Committee, which was again out-raised by House Democrats despite holding the majority….

The report is the latest sign that after the shutdown, money is becoming a concern for Republicans. Dissatisfied donors from the GOP’s business and conservative wings, angry at a party they don’t think is listening to them, have threatened to withhold contributions. Democrats have also outraised Republicans elsewhere: The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee raised $4.6 million last month, $1 million more than the National Republican Senatorial Committee’s $3.6 million. For the first time in 17 months, the Democratic National Committee raised more cash than the Republican National Committee — $7.4 million to $7.1 million.

The irony is that it’s not only Big Business that’s getting fed up with the Republican party – the GOP can only threaten to destroy the global economy so many times before Wall Street and corporate America start getting nervous – but conservatives are also starting to withhold their money, but for the opposite reason; conservatives don’t think the Republicans are crazy enough.  This sets up a great push-me-pull-you dynamic for the GOP, where they’re guaranteed to tick off someone in their party, only further fueling the internal war.

A "Push-Me-Pull-You" from the movie "Dr. Dolittle," 20th Century Fox, 1967.

A “Push-Me-Pull-You” from the movie “Dr. Dolittle,” 20th Century Fox, 1967.

From the Atlantic:

On his radio show recently, Glenn Beck urged his listeners to “defund the GOP.” Sarah Palin has threatened to leave the Republican Party; Rush Limbaugh calls it “irrelevant.” The Senate Conservatives Fund has targeted mainly incumbent Republican senators for defeat. Erick Erickson, one of the right’s most prominent commentators, wonders if what’s coming is “a real third party movement that will fully divide the Republican Party.”

Conservatives have declared war on the GOP.

Getting back to the PPP poll, the pollster notes the caveat that it’s a bit early to start talking about victory in November of 2014.  A lot can happen in a year.  And some pundits think that the voters will forget about the shutdown come next November.  (There’s also the not-small point that the GOP has so gerrymandered the House that it’s difficult for Democrats to make any inroads, regardless of how crazy the Republicans act.)

Still, all the signs point towards the GOP being in serious trouble, while the Democrats are in a resurgence.  That may not be a guarantee of victory in 2014 and 2016, but it’s exactly where you want to be if you’re a Democrat preparing for the next four years.

Follow me on Twitter: @aravosis | @americablog | @americabloggay | Facebook | Instagram | Google+ | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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88 Responses to “From polls to mayorships to fundraising, GOP’s fallen and can’t get up”

  1. Ford Prefect says:

    Were that only true. I would be happy if the two parties weren’t both of the same ideology: Neo-Liberalism. Fact is, Obama keeps pushing GOP ideas and there’s a reason for it. Dick Durbin says we have to destroy Social Security to save it, which is precisely what the GOP says too.

    Forget the partisan rhetoric and just look at policy. Doing that, you’ll notice you can’t squeeze a piece of paper between Paul Ryan and Barack Obama on most things. Not all things, I gather, but most things. Like the things that will throw tens of millions of elderly people into poverty just to rake in some corporate cash.

    Ideologically, there is no difference between the leadership of both parties. The Dems still have some progressives in their midst, but they have no power and will never be allowed to have committee chairmanships or positions in the WH. They’re just window dressing. Obama hates them. Pelosi hates them. DCCC won’t lift a finger to help them.

    We have two Right-Wing parties in this country. That’s about it.

  2. BillFromDover says:

    I’ll agree that both parties are whores for cash, after all, how else can they survive in today’s political environment?

    My argument is simply that there are also ideological differences between them and the baggers are extremists pulling what’s left of moderate republicans over a cliff.

    More power to ’em!

  3. silas1898 says:

    I know, I just couldn’t think of a better example of that fawning look of a true believer, rapt by his mere presence……barf.

  4. Ford Prefect says:

    Money. Lots of corporate cash. That’s what the alleged “fight” is over. We have 132 million people a few paychecks away from utter disaster. Are the Dems pandering to those people knowing full well that many people can cause a realignment? Of course not. They’re pandering to Big Money and that means fucking over the poor and near poor, not to mention a dying middle-class.

    2008 was a great year for GOTV after 8 years of BushCo. Obama was the Not-Bush, even those his policy preferences weren’t actually all that different. Of course, we had to wait until he was installed in the White House to learn what a liar he was, but hey, it worked. In 2010, after two years of Dem control of congress in which they did NOTHING about unemployment, voters got pissed and failed to turn out. Turnout in 2012 wasn’t good either. BO won with about 9 million fewer voters.

    So the trend isn’t good. It’s bad, in fact. Both parties are in a race to the bottom with respect to legitimacy. OTOH, the competition over corporate cash is frenzied and very, very serious. That’s why BOTH parties are so eager to fuck over 90% of this country’s population.

    That’s what the “fight” is about and that’s also why the people count for precisely nothing within the Democratic Party. It’s all “tough decisions” this and hippie punching that.

  5. BillFromDover says:

    “So good luck with GOTV next year….”

    Good point, seein’ how well the effort worked in 08 and surprisingly again in 12 (yeah, I know how many baggers are still dumbfounded as to how all those heavily-biased democratic polls that predicted the election outcome could have been so right), this time it will take a Herculean effort to overcome those that will lose their ability to cast a ballot because of national republican-led voter suppression laws.

    And as one who opines that there doesn’t seem to be an iota difference between the parties, just what the hell do ya think this fight is all about?

  6. Ford Prefect says:

    Well, the number one reason they do that is: It’s easy. It doesn’t require anything of them other than being the “less hated,” as you put it. The problem is, while they’ve managed to “win” to some extent on that specious meme, the public ends up losing either way. Being less hated means they can do most of the same things the batshits do, just in a more stylistically acceptable manner, which is precisely what they do. But in the end, they’re still being hated, which traditionally is a major problem for anyone trying to get elected.

    The GOP has its territory and the Dems have theirs. Both parties are content with that arrangement. That is why nothing will change and the people will still play the role of losers in all this. So what the broader polity seems to be asking in this latest poll from WaPo-ABC is, “What’s the friggin’ point? Both parties suck.”

    I would submit that if the Democrats were really serious about taking back Majority in the House, they would address the issues in the post I linked to above. But they don’t, because they’re just fine with those results. Their policies, after all, are a major reason why 132 Million people are only a few paychecks away from utter disaster. It’s a feature, not a bug. And if you’re one of those 132 million people (more than enough to sway a national election, I should add), then the only “choice” on offer is between one of two poisons that will kill you.

    That poll suggest a Crisis Of Legitimacy exists. That too is a feature, not a bug. As such, partisan preening over the alleged demise of the GOP (itself a fever dream of major proportions) is irrelevant. The Dems can take a few seats, but it won’t change the tragic trajectory of this country one bit. Even if they do gain Majority back, it still won’t change a damn thing. That poll shows that most Americans also see that as well.

    So good luck with GOTV next year….

  7. BillFromDover says:

    Perhaps, but would you rather (at this point in time) be the party of the hated less or the hated more?

    Would you prefer your constituents to be rational thinking or foaming-at-the-mouth batshit crazy zealots that only recognize double-down in the face of adversity?

    The next election will not be determined by the rabid dig-inners on either side, but by the (declining, perhaps) rational moderates in the middle.

    Yeah, a lot can happen in a year, but do ya actually believe that this fiasco propagated by a baggar-supreme (that, BTW, shows no reason to abate his insanity) will dissipate from our memories in a short politician-year?

    The Dems only have to stand (or hang on, in your case) for nothing other than they are the party of the not batshit crazies, and how hard should that be?

  8. Houndentenor says:

    and it would be beneath them to actually talk to the temp working in their office who is making less than they were five years ago for the exact same work, he said from experience.

  9. BeccaM says:

    As far as I can tell, nobody is talking about it because the media empires are owned by the plutocratic bastards who benefit most from the status quo.

  10. Outspoken1 says:

    GERRYMANDERING — most districts are not competitive since they have been drawn by (most often) a Republican controlled state legislatures. See , and .

    These types of articles concern me because they may create a complacency when there needs to be real action to counter the gerrymandered districts nationwide.

  11. Houndentenor says:

    Teavangelicals don’t understand anything. They just parrot what some Koch-funded blowhard told them. But it won’t matter if they don’t have the ability to gum up the works like they just did. That’s the only thing that mattered. This crowd has been around all my life. The only difference is that they got people like themselves elected and now they can do real damage. We’ll either turn out the vote in 2014 or we’ll be stuck with this mess until at least 2016. Getting organized and turning out the vote is important. Also making sure people get registered in places where it’s getting harder for poor people to vote. We’re going to have to volunteer to work on that as well, not just bitch about it on facebook.

  12. Ford Prefect says:

    Exactly. Since the Democrats are choosing to avoid real issues (like the destruction of our standard of living), what do they have to campaign on? Not much, aside from the usual, substance-free twaddle on MSNBC. Trash SS and Medicare and no one will have a valid reason to vote Democrat. In fact, Democrats don’t support anything worthy of enthusiasm, so the cockiness is misplaced.

    It’s foolish for the cheerleaders to think the Dems can capitalize on this brief window of advantage, since they stand for nothing normal people can take interest in. This post from Economic Populist shows what a real campaign might be about: the well being of the nation’s population is being flushed down the toilet. Oddly enough, the Democrats will studiously avoid the obvious and likely lose as a result.

  13. Mighty says:

    Totally agree. We have heard this one before and it seems to keep getting worse. Until we make sure to turn out in droves Nov. 2014 to remove them this means nothing imo. They only understand defeat. Hand it to them enough and they won’t have a choice but to change. If not then keep defeating them.

  14. ezpz says:

    They did nothing good, but they did do plenty – of crap, that is….

    The ACA, which at the very least is a misnomer because time will show that it will be neither affordable, nor provide health care. An insurance policy does not guarantee health care. It should have been called the Insurance, Pharma Welfare Act.

    Then there was that ‘stimulus’ which stimulated little except the already fat pockets of the 1% in the form of tax cuts.

    Speaking of tax cuts, there was also that very gimmicky payroll tax cut, which accelerated the defunding of the SS/Medicare trust fund, in advance of cutting these beloved programs by BOTH parties.

  15. ezpz says:

    A healthy and honest dose of reality, and very well said.
    Thank you.

  16. Houndentenor says:

    Why isn’t anyone talking about this? companies are posting record profits and their pay has been frozen for over a decade? Trickle down? Not even the Reagan era water sports these days.

  17. Houndentenor says:

    EXACTLY! Have the party AFTER the election. If liberals put as much energy into organizing as we do in gloating when the GOP does something stupid, we could take back the House. Sorry, but often we really are as smug and arrogant and right-wingers say we are.

  18. Houndentenor says:

    Are we neighbors? Probably not. There are at least a dozen districts just like that. Why aren’t Democrats putting up a fight in winnable districts. There wasn’t even anyone for me to vote for. I voted for a Libertarian in protest in 2012.

  19. Houndentenor says:

    Someone above mentioned this. What the GOP did in many states was Gerrymander districts so that the Democrats are clustered with huge majorities in a few districts while Republicans have a slight lead in theirs. It really could fold like a house of cards giving Democrats huge majorities if the public shifts away from Republicans. I don’t think that’s a guarantee, in spite of all the gloating lately on the left. I remember the 2008 gloating and then the 2010 election. I’ll count my winnings after the final hand, thank you. But it means that many red districts are not a lost cause. In 2012 my Congressman ran unopposed (except for some third party challengers). The district includes a huge university and the town surrounding it is very blue. It would be possible to defeat the Teavangelical asshole who represents us if someone would actually run and organize.

  20. Houndentenor says:

    Deficits didn’t matter when the president was white. I’m sick of people who only scream about deficits when a Democrat is in office. Cheney ran up huge deficits. The people screaming about how much ACA will cost didn’t even think about funding Medicare Part D when they voted for it. I wonder what it would be like to live in a country where real reporters called politicians out on shit like that.

  21. Houndentenor says:

    If we were in a different system with apportionate representation, we’d probably have about five parties. More people would vote libertarian or green if it didn’t mean throwing away their vote. (Or worse, if it didn’t mean basically handing the election to the candidate most distasteful to you.) But we don’t have that system. New ideas tend to get co-opted by one party or another. and in such a system issues would be discussed more than idiotic one-line slogans (that more often than not are either lies or gross distortions).

  22. Houndentenor says:

    Okay, people: STOP GLOATING. I’ve seen this too many times already. The GOP is down and the liberals throw a big self-congratulatory party only to be blind-sided when the right makes a comeback in the very next election. Remember the fall of 2008? MSNBC hosts gloated endlessly about the demise of the GOP. And two years later….

    Stop it. This isn’t even close to over. Throw the victory party after the victory. This is just a slight lead. And notice that it’s only because the Republicans shot themselves in the foot. Democrats still need to run better campaigns and learn to stay on message. Getting cocky is the surest way to lose the race.

  23. BeccaM says:

    Aye… somehow the fact deficits skyrocketed under Reagan and the Bushies is always overlooked and the shrinking (or elimination) of those same deficits under Democratic administrations always denied.

  24. Monoceros Forth says:

    I’ve noticed that even those who worship Reagan as though he were the thirteenth Apostle get a bit vague when praising his accomplishments. Other presidents get praise for definite events and policies, but with Reagan vague abstractions and sweeping generalities are the usual line. He brought “morning to America”. He told the USSR to “tear down that wall”. He won the Cold War all by himself. He made us strong and prosperous and proud.

  25. BeccaM says:

    Go listen to Reagan speeches? Nah, due to the House Republican Tea Baggers and their “burn it all down” rhetoric, I’ve long since exceeded my horror capacity for the month.

    And I say this as a woman who experienced first-hand “the beginning of America’s end” that was the Reagan presidency.

  26. BeccaM says:

    Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe the problem isn’t taxes which, for the average American, are now far lower than in any other 1st world nation, but the fact your wages have stagnated since the day Ronald Reagan’s zombie corpse planted its ass in the Oval Office?

    I have a simpler solution: No more Republicans. No more ‘conservative’ or ‘neo-liberal (read ‘corporatist’) economics or policies. No more constant ratcheting and lurching to the radical right.

    And finally, no more of this BS Tea Bagger nonsense, which was bankrolled by the Koch brothers and the Republican party to begin with.

  27. Whitewitch says:

    Ohhh, you are not the oldest by far …you do mean James Watt (1736-1819) the famous Scottish Inventor and mechanical engineer right?

  28. Monoceros Forth says:

    To be fair, Peggy Noonan didn’t lap up Reagan’s speeches; she wrote them. (While lapping up some whisky I don’t doubt.)

  29. Monoceros Forth says:

    I’m not the oldest fellow here by a long shot but I do remember things from my childhood like the conquest of mighty Grenada. I remember James Watt. I remember the administration’s obsession with Nicaragua which would lead to such dishonorable consequences. (Also, though this doesn’t have to do with Reagan, I remember the Falkland War quite well because my mother was very much on Argentina’s side.)

  30. silas1898 says:

    Buddhist temple. Having a huge hissy fit over nothing.

  31. Bose says:

    Yep, it’s preliminary, but congratulations to Ted Cruz! I can’t imagine anyone better suited for ransacking the GOP of any semblance of general respect in so few days. And he’s not even finished with his first year of party carnage, 5 still to go

  32. silas1898 says:

    They seem all fired up to do it all over again in January. The Democrats won’t need to do any reminding. Hopefully a wave of primary baggers will take out those “RINOS” and then go down in flames in November.

  33. FLL says:

    Take a look at a few hilarious examples of gerrymandered Republican districts, one of which John Stewart pretended was a Rorschach test that looked like “a witch being electrocuted inside a bat’s vagina”:

  34. Ford Prefect says:

    Indeed, if you can pony up the cash to file papers, run as an Independent (so you won’t have to deal with the party torpedoing your effort, which they will do, since they chose not to run anyone for a reason). You probably can’t run with the Big Dogs, but I’m sure some people will be pleased just to see another name on the ballot.

    If your district is one of Steve Israel’s protected Republicans, then you have a story the media can cover for a while, at any rate.

  35. FLL says:

    The Republicans may have gerrymandered many districts a little too exquisitely in 2010. Those districts were drawn to result in the Republican winning with just over 50% of the vote. The idea was that it was more clever to create two or three absurdly gerrymandered districts that tipped Republicans by “just enough” than to create one a more geographically logical district that was solidly Republican. But what if the mood of the country swings a bit, as happens from time to time? It wouldn’t take much of a shift for the entire rigged system of gerrymandered districts to fall like a house of cards. So the Republicans were clever when they created their multitude of gerrymandered districts in 2010… perhaps too clever for their own good.

  36. silas1898 says:

    Reagan’s speeches: Buckets of steaming bullshit served with a wink and a smile; lovingly lapped up by idiots like Peggy Nooner and the rest of the teabagger types.

  37. neroden says:

    Reagan — “ketchup is a vegetable”, “we begin bombing in five minutes”, the treasonous deal to prevent the Iranian hostages from being released, ripping the solar panels off the White House out of pique, and lest we forget, *The Iran-Contra Affair*.

    Reagan was good at reading the speeches written by Peggy Noonan, but he was a disastrous and frankly criminal President who nearly started World War III (thank goodness for Gorbachev, who saved us). Do your research, Brian.

  38. neroden says:

    See? Common ground — we agree on getting rid of the NSA spying apparatus.

    There are about five Republicans in Congress who actively oppose the NSA spying, and about 100 Democrats who actively oppose it. Crunch the numbers please and decide which party is better.

  39. Ford Prefect says:

    I hope you’re right about that. Of course, given the rate of socio-economic destruction taking place, I think in a couple decades there won’t be a democracy for a new party to exist in. It’d better happen a lot sooner than that.

    TPP alone will destroy what’s left of American “democracy.”

  40. neroden says:

    Where are you? Run. Get someone on the ballot — it might as well be you. Call your local committee adn at least provide a protest-vote option.

  41. neroden says:

    The GOP is most certainly dying. The Democratic Party seems to be trying to give it a run for its money by trying to commit suicide, but the GOP is managing to die faster.

    I predict at least one new major party will arise in the next couple of decades. Perhaps two.

  42. Ford Prefect says:

    Case in point: The South Dakota farmers that just lost most of their livestock to a climate disaster supported the shutdown in the name of “fiscal responsibility” and yet were pissed off their aid checks didn’t show up.

    Some folks are immune to logic.

  43. Ford Prefect says:

    Indeed. Between gerrymandering, VoterID and the fact the Dems keep bending over backwards to keep them relevant, they may be somewhat more insular, but they’re still very much alive–the Senate Conservative Fund just raised a record $2.6 Million during the shutdown, so claims of their demise are greatly exaggerated. Steve Israel created the Center Aisle Caucus and also heads up DCCC. He promised he wouldn’t challenge the GOP members of his caucus. That seems to include Paul Ryan, BTW. So he’s challenging incumbents that probably won’t lose re-election.

    It’s easy for the messaging machine to crow about a couple generic polls. But they don’t mean anything in real terms. They’re just setting us up for the, “While we lost this time, it was really a victory” nonsense that always follows election day. And meanwhile, they’re teeing us up for cuts to SS and Medicare.

  44. Ford Prefect says:

    I fail to see how raising $5.6 million just in September is so terribly bad. Clearly, the corporate money is still flowing, but the Dems enjoy an advantage at the moment. So while it seems the corporatocracy sees the Dems as the better partner in government, they’re still paying the GOP large sums. This, of course, is what all the partisan positioning is all about: the corporate donor class.

    That said, the Democratic apparat isn’t the least bit concerned about the fact that leadership is about to throw SS and Medicare under the Bus of “Compromise.” The reason is simple of course: Even more corporate money will make the party moneybags even happier, while the vulnerable people they’re sacrificing on the altar of greed pay the price.

    It’s sad that Democrats care more about winnings from the donor class than making sound policy. But this is what we’re stuck with. What the polls are showing in reality is that Americans are somewhat to the left of BOTH parties and have serious concerns that aren’t being addressed in a positive fashion. They don’t want their standard of living destroyed, but that’s what they’re going to get no matter who they vote for. It’s possible the suffering will be slightly less traumatic under Dems and I guess that’s the consolation prize in all this. Either way, the only winners are the Austerians.

    The GOP isn’t dead. It’s not even dying. When 95% of all House districts are safe seats, it would take the GOP voters seeing their party the way Obama voters did the Dems in 2010 to turn out the Majority. I don’t see that happening. Likewise, the DCCC is targeting districts they’ll likely lose and recruiting candidates who are mostly no better than the GOPers they are challenging.

    Why? Because it’s better to lose than piss off the donor class. And when we add in the Great Betrayal, does anyone think the Dems are going to ride into majority after they toss grandma under the bus? Somehow I doubt it. Who, after all, is going to believe “the Republicans made us do it” this time? Add in TPP and it only gets worse. If that atrocity passes, the Dems can pretty much forget any legitimacy going forward.

  45. Whitewitch says:

    Poor poor Monoceros Forth – not a millennial…guess he is assuming we are all young-ens on this site eh?

  46. Whitewitch says:

    You do know that President Obama is the same type and form of republican as Ronald Reagan – right. In fact, I would venture to say he is a wee bit more republican (the ACA is evidence that he is more republican – because it is the Republican plan). Just sayin.

  47. usagi says:

    File. Run against them.

  48. Whitewitch says:

    Hi Nylund…may I make a suggestion then…Run YOU! Yes, you run even if it is just to give them heck!

  49. Whitewitch says:

    Truer words were never spoken – well maybe they were – but yours are right on!

  50. Indigo says:

    Like I said, “stinking up the place.” Cheney’s good at that.

  51. ArthurH says:

    The GOP may de dying but is still functioning as normal. Dick Cheney yesterday defended the Tea Party as loyal Americans he sympathizes with for their efforts to reduce the national debt. This is the same Cheney who when he was in office said, “Deficits don’t matter” when it was noted that reducing income taxes for the wealthy might stop the reduction of the national debt started under Clinton.

  52. fletcher says:

    But Matt Drudge last week predicted on the Drudge Report website that Nancy Pelosi will be Speaker of the House again in January 2015 thanks to the shenanigans of the Tea Party. So word of the Tea Party is tanking the Republican Party is getting through to tin ears.

  53. Indigo says:

    Congratulations! The Fountain of Youth is only rarely found and even less often shared.

  54. Indigo says:

    ALL CAPS is kinda rude.

  55. Indigo says:

    Maybe the GOP is dead and maybe it isn’t but what I know for certain is that it’s certainly stinking up the place, nation wide.

  56. goulo says:

    brian, are you sure you know what things Reagan really did as president, as opposed to just liking the sound of his “great communicator” speeches?

    E.g. see:

  57. cole3244 says:

    in the interest of accuracy shouldn’t those tea bags be resting on their chins rather than hanging from their caps.

  58. nicho says:

    It would be funny — if so many people weren’t just as deluded as he is. We have turned into an idiocracy — and the idiots are watching Faux News, reading Tea Party dreck, and getting their news from Limbaugh, O’Reilly, and Drudge.

  59. nicho says:

    And what will the Dems do with a majority in both houses if they get it? Nothing — just like the last time.

  60. nicho says:

    The corporatist media has shown that it can create any reality it wants in a very short time. There are a lot of people in the US who believe that Reagan was a good president — instead of the anti-American, destructive old fool he really was.

    The local right-wing rag here has decided that it is shocked — do you hear me, shocked — that our Democratic Congressman gets money from outside the district. Shocked. They have been flogging on Page 1 for days. They totally ignore the fact that his predecessor — a Republican dimwit — was a corporate darling that had her lips pressed firmly to the corporate tit.

  61. nicho says:

    The answer isn’t less government. The answer is less corporate power. We used to have small government in the US. Once the corporations started getting monstrous, that proved to be a disaster. Americans are not being taxed into poverty. Americans are being pushed into poverty by the corporatists stealing all the money, driving down wages, austerity, and stifling demand. The Tea Party is nothing but a bunch of angry people who are — as you demonstrate — totally deluded about the problems, their causes, and their solutions.

  62. PeteWa says:

    “You are making fun” he whines, after positing the ludicrous, self defeating mockery of “quit watching MSDNC [sic] which has no viewers.”


  63. keirmeister says:

    There’s so much wrong with almost everything you’ve said.

    Government shrunk under Obama:

    “Liberalism is dying”? based on what? Democrats have been beating Republicans in the polls and ballot boxes.

    “Taxed and insured into poverty and food stamps” Taxes have gone down since Obama came into office. As a matter of fact, taxes are too low right now, particularly for the upper bracket and corporations. But how do you insure someone into poverty? That makes no sense. Actually, the lack of good health insurance has BANKRUPTED many Americans. The status quo of the private health insurance system is broken. Why do you think so many people have been clamoring for change?

    Spending $85billion/month for Wall Street: I agree. That’s wrong. See? Common Ground ™

    As for the GOP establishment vs. the Tea Baggers/Party. Sorry, cry me an effin’ river. You guys created your own monstrosity of right-wing craziness. And you embrace these Tea people?!? The Tea Party is an inherently racist organization, created by corporate backers, who want the rest of the country to forget that they backed George W. Bush in EVERYTHING he did in his failed presidency (including growing government, lying us into war, and bringing us recessions).

    Address the faults of your own house before you start throwing stones at ours…and that can only happen once you actually try to understand the facts and embrace reality.

  64. Naja pallida says:

    So you post something of less than no substance, and expect people to respond with substance? Sorry, but you’re going to have to do more than spout kool aid drinker nonsense if you want to actually have a discussion.

  65. ArthurH says:

    A new biography of Rupert Murdoch (to be published October 23) reports that Murdoch and his henchmen pay staffers to shill for them on opposing websites. Based on the rate paid mentioned in the book, I have to ask, brian, how are you going to spend the 72 cents you earned here?

  66. Naja pallida says:

    It’s not poor salesmanship to them, because they have completely rewritten the reality of what Ronald Reagan did as President. If you just lie to yourself, you can believe whatever you want!

  67. While the House is gerrymandered, it does not mean the Republicans are invulnerable. Because each house must have about the same population of around three fourths of a million, it means that there are many Republican seats that can change with a slight shift of the vote. We saw that in 2006. In Pennsylvania, which was gerrymandered as it is now, we went from 12 Republican and 7 Democratic seats to the opposite. My district was one that flipped because of the gerrymander.

  68. Nylund says:

    What I find frustrating is that there isn’t even a Democrat running in my congressional district. My neighborhood is overwhelmingly young and pretty darn liberal (quite close to one of the largest gay neighborhoods in the country, which isn’t in the same district). Also included in my district is a Hispanic neighborhood that comprises 36% of the district’s population. Unfortunately, we’re a classic case of gerrymandering and our district snakes out, leaving our metropolitan city, encompassing large swaths of conservative voters in suburban and rural areas an hour outside the city.

    What’s sort of funny/scary is that the Tea Party is running a candidate against our current GOP representative during this next election cycle. This is despite the fact that he’s about as conservative as it gets and has an entirely Tea Party approved voting record. Even the Tea Party candidate admits that not a single vote would have differed had the district been represented by the Tea Party instead of our current so-called “establishment” Republican.

    The choice being offered is between two equally crazy candidates who would vote in completely identical ways. In that sense, it’s fun to watch them waste money fighting each other for no obvious reason. In other ways, it’s infuriating to have no way to vote against them.

    Given the way the district is gerrymandered, I understand the Democrat’s position, it’s a waste of money that does little more than force the GOP to spend money defending it and now the Tea Party is spending that money instead of Democrats. Still, it’d be nice to actually have a sane candidate on the ballot. As it currently stands, I won’t be voting at all. I can’t vote in the GOP primary, even if I wanted to vote for one over the other, and there’s no Democrat on the general election ballot. In the general election, there will be one candidate running unopposed and I have no say in deciding who that one candidate is.

  69. Monoceros Forth says:

    I’m so sick of hearing the Republican Party is dead while they continue to hold the country back.

    I’m with you here. It’s been predicted for years now that the tensions within the Republican Party were soon to rip the Party open but it hasn’t happened yet. We’ve seen also, in the most dramatic manner possible, that the GOP does not feel itself bound by any law or rule that interferes with its desires. Can anyone doubt that they’ll try again to seize veto power over all legislation just as they tried to do in recent weeks?

  70. quax says:

    Thanks for the laugh :-)

  71. AndyinChicago says:

    Is anyone else worried that pride comes before the fall? I’m so sick of hearing the Republican Party is dead while they continue to hold the country back. Even with the “death of the Republican Party” and the disgust at Ted Cruz, what are the chances that the Democrats win a 60 seat-majorty in the senate? Are we even sure we can take back the House?

  72. Monoceros Forth says:

    It’s not the best rhetorical device, is it? A cheap distancing trick. I have used it myself, however, though I should not.

  73. iamlegion says:

    Even rich folk are realizing (thanks to the recent shutdown, ironically) that there really are aspects of government that even they need to function smoothly. And you just can’t put drooling illiterates like Louie Gohmert and Jim Inhofe into positions of power and responsibility and expect that to happen.

  74. caphillprof says:

    Yeah, why does Mrs. Greenspan have to work?

  75. caphillprof says:

    The Democrats should hire the folk behind the anti-Cuccinelli ad campaign in Virginia.

  76. Monoceros Forth says:

    I’m a millennial now! That’s a new one. I actually remember what Reagan was like, boyo, so I wouldn’t bring him up. It’s poor salesmanship.

  77. brian says:

    Peace through strength. i agree… Tell Obama that one. Cut NSA right away.

  78. caphillprof says:

    It’s not about belief. Pull your troops back from the Middle East and cut the NSA budget before you talk to anyone about big government.

  79. brian says:

    see you are making fun.. No substance.

  80. brian says:

    Next year we will have more. Goto you tube and listen to a few of Ronald Reagan speeches. Maybe that America would sound more appealing to a millennial like yourself. Help us get rid of these establishment guys like Karl Rove, bush and Boehner for a party for WE THE PEOPLE!

  81. Dave of the Jungle says:

    I find it funny that {false statement}.
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  82. Monoceros Forth says:

    Oh, so half that is eighty-one, not eight or nine. A mighty force!

  83. brian says:

    18 in the senate and 144 votes in house. Quit watching MSDNC which has no viewers.

  84. brian says:

    ok I saw 144 votes

  85. Monoceros Forth says:

    Half the TEA PARTY is with you!

    All eight or nine guys!

  86. brian says:

    I find it funny that all the left can do is make fun of the GOP and show polls as if that’s the answer to more Big Government. I really believe Liberalism is dying and people will wake up to the fact of being taxed and insured into poverty and food stamps. Half the TEA PARTY is with you! Primary all GOP establishment republicans and get rid of Boehner for a TEA PARTY conservative member!

  87. NCMan says:

    “A lot can happen in a year,” and “voters will forget about the shutdown.” This is true. BUT…. Dems should make sure the voters are reminded continually between now and the mid-terms. And, mid-term advertising should be HEAVY with reminders of both the shut down and the default threat.

  88. gratuitous says:

    “A lot can happen in a year,” and “voters will forget about the shutdown.” Yup, especially if the talking chuckleheads have anything to say about it (and they do). Horse races mean viewers, and the popular media will be throwing a lot of weight behind the Republicans’ efforts, because otherwise, they don’t got no story to tell. The alternative is actually working for a paycheck, and that’s not really what the Villagers want to do.

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