How ugly was the religious right “Values Voter” conference in DC today? This ugly.

The Values Voters Summit is the biggest religious right conference of the year. All the top Republican presidential wannabes drop in to pay homage to some of the most hateful, intolerant bigots in the GOP (and America). And today was no exception. Let’s walk through some of the lowlights:

Jim Bob Duggar (the guy with the immense family and the ‘reality’ TV show) compares the U.S. now to Nazi Germany during the Holocaust.

Ryan Bomberger, anti-choice activist refers to legal abortion as black genocide. Also says that gays are like kleptomaniacs and homophobia is a myth.

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Sand Rios of the American Family Association says the Matthew Shepard murder was ‘a complete fraud. 12 October, by the way, is the anniversary of Shepard’s murder. She also says that gay people are deluded and “caught in a web of deceit.” She says ‘fabulous’ ex-gays want to tell their stories. News flash, Sand: An ex-gay who is ‘fabulous’ probably isn’t ‘ex’.

Todd Starnes of Fox News lies about Obama’s handling of the Saeed Obedini case (an Iranian-American pastor being held in an Iranian jail). Fox News itself said that Obama has actually been working the case. But hey, who ever let facts get in the way of rabble-rousing?

Lila Rose, anti-abortion activist, likens herself to Malala Yousafzai. Nice try…but no, not even close. Malala is fighting for the right of self-determination and equal rights for women and you, Lila, aren’t.

Star Parker, conservative African American activist, says gay people should all get back into the closet and stop bothering conservatives with…well, existing.

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Brian Brown, president of NOM, says gay marriage is “an attempt to deconstruct the very nature of reality, the very nature of what it means to be a human being.”

Meanwhile, Heritage president (and former U.S. Senator) Jim DeMint advocates a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage or anything resembling such. (Video of DeMint is on the same page as the Brian Brown report.)

E.W. Jackson, the lunatic GOP candidate for Lt. Gov of Virginia says he’ll never apologize or repudiate any of the crazy, bigoted things he’s said. You go bro! Don’t hold anything back.

E.W. Jackson

E.W. Jackson

Rick Santorum tries to liken the insurance mandate for contraception coverage with the French Revolution, and apparently even his own wing-nut audience has no frickin’ clue what he’s trying to say. Oops, sorry, that first link wasn’t to the RWW post. Here it is.

Gary Bauer, wild-eyed goblin, Gollum stunt-double, and once candidate for the presidency, calls Sandra Fluke an oversexed co-ed slut (not those words exactly, but it’s what he meant).

Former FRC head Gary Bauer. The masculinity oozes.

Former FRC head Gary Bauer. The masculinity oozes.

Representative Robert Aderhold (R-AL) and retired General Jerry Boykin, speaking at a sponsored American Family Association lunch, essentially called for the theocratic overthrow of the American government.

Michelle Bachmann now tries to rename the PPACA as ‘Deathcare’ and warns that health insurance reform will turn American into a police state. God, I can’t wait for this woman to become as irrelevant and forgotten as Sarah Whatsherface.


Louie Gohmert (R-TX) revolts against his own party, calling Senator John McCain (R-AZ) an ally of al Qaeda. The dude really is dumber than a bag of hammers.


Joel Rosenberg, end-times loony, compared legal abortion to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, and says he believes God will destroy America.

Ben Carson, the apparently brilliant neurosurgeon I’d never let raise a scalpel anywhere near me because he’s crazy and a Creationist, says Obamacare is the worst thing to happen in America since slavery.

Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) plays the victim card, claiming there’s a rising tide of intolerance against conservative Christians in America. Time to call the Waaaaaambulance.

Lying makes me thirsty.

Lying makes him thirsty.

Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) spends most of his speech being heckled, and jokes that Obama will try to kidnap him. No, sorry Ted, you’re likely exactly where Obama wants you right now.


A better kind of Cruz.

Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) says the problem is conservatives haven’t been ‘focused enough’ on school prayer, abortion, and gay marriage. Uh huh. You go right on believing that, Mike.

Published professional writer and poet, Becca had a three decade career in technical writing and consulting before selling off most of her possessions in 2006 to go live at an ashram in India for 3 years. She loves literature (especially science fiction), technology and science, progressive politics, cool electronic gadgets, and perfecting Hatch green chile recipes. Fortunately for this last, Becca and her wife currently live in New Mexico. @BeccaMorn

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226 Responses to “How ugly was the religious right “Values Voter” conference in DC today? This ugly.”

  1. Skip Patterson says:

    “Ben Carson, the apparently brilliant neurosurgeon I’d never let raise a scalpel anywhere near me because he’s crazy and a Creationist, says Obamacare is the worst thing to happen in America since slavery.”
    I wish someone would do some background research and find out how many lawsuits have been brought against him for incompetency over the years.

  2. Skip Patterson says:

    “Star Parker,
    conservative African American activist, says gay people should all get
    back into the closet and stop bothering conservatives with…well,

    I guess Stan would also think that blacks should just get back into the boat bound for Africa and quit bothering everybody about their need for BBQ ribs.

  3. mirror says:

    God, I love that vagina clown car joke. Wish I could remember where I first heard it used.

  4. Salty_Dave says:

    I suppose I’m either lying or you are afraid of the truth. If you’re American, I’d bet dollars to doughnuts you are afraid of the truth. It’s part of your culture to avoid reality, oh great exceptional one. Ask any Canadian.

  5. smartgeema says:

    This year’s crop of Values Voters is almost making some of the Nazis look positively benevolent, by comparison.

  6. smartgeema says:

    LOL. Closest thing to a rational explanation for Michelle Bachmann’s really peculiar brand of stupid that I’ve heard yet! LOLOLOL!

  7. smartgeema says:

    And the vast majority of us straight people aren’t going to listen to this myth-maker, either.

  8. smartgeema says:

    Even better, BeccaM! Have you tried hard cider over your ice cream yet? LOL.
    PS: We won’t snitch on you to the Values Voters!

  9. smartgeema says:

    What a pathetic, Republican-controlled, troll you are, Jodi.
    I did, in fact, watch and listen to a great many of these Values Voters speakers for myself – until I simply couldn’t control my gagging and vomiting any longer – all brought on by an overdose of their outright, deliberate, lies, as well as all of their other evil, vitriolic, hate speech.

  10. smartgeema says:

    You forgot to mention that this amoral Republican scumbag, current United States Senator and one-time candidate for President of United States of America, John McCain, not only dumped his badly injured, permanently debilitated and disabled, but totally faithful, loyal, long-suffering, and loving wife for a much younger, very rich, woman whose father had powerful Republican political connections – this amoral scumbag also abandoned HIS FOUR YOUNG CHILDREN, who were still waiting for him and who greeted him with open, loving hearts and innocently welcoming arms – almost immediately upon his return from Viet Nam.
    No wonder today’s United States Navy is firing its most senior commanding officers – its Captains and Admirals – because of serious moral deficiencies, at the astonishing rate of 1-2 per month for the past two-and-a-half years !!!
    And no wonder the United States Armed Forces haven’t managed to win a single costly foreign war since World War II – 55 years ago!!!
    Republican Values Voters, indeed! With American leaders and citizens like these, the USA hasn’t much of anything to fear from any of its so-called enemies!!

  11. smartgeema says:

    Wow – totally psychotic much?

  12. smartgeema says:

    You meant to say that 110 Russians got by with openly stealing 35% the country’s wealth, didn’t you?

  13. smartgeema says:

    Truth never requires that we ask permission to tell it.
    But it was respectful of you, Roger, to be courteous and civilized to a fellow human Truth-teller like Iabman57.

  14. smartgeema says:

    For many of us who have lived under the total control of these cult leaders, this is nothing more than modern-day, legalized, sexual slavery.

  15. smartgeema says:

    And the LDS (Mormon) ‘Church’ in the USA today also shuns, abandons, and even murders its strongest-willed and most independent-thinking young men – because they recognize that these young men are a threat to their total mind-control over their cult members and they represent direct competition against themselves, for the choicest specimens among the cult’s population of young women – from whom these zealous slave masters choose their own human sex slaves and baby-producers.

  16. smartgeema says:

    This is the exact same ‘growth’ principle upon which the LDS (Mormon) ‘Church’ was founded in the early 1800’s – and this is one of the saner policies which the Mormon ‘religion’ advocates.
    You all know the Latter Day Saints (Mormon) ‘Church’ – the same one which spawned the uber-wealthy, tax-dodging, so-called fiscal and political conservative, Mitt Romney, the Republican Party’s 2012 candidate for President of the United States of America. Romney is only the second generation from an ultra-pious, self-righteous, over-zealous, religious cult worshiper who despised the United States Government and its rule of law so fanatically that he abandoned this nation, rather than give up his religious zeal to “go forth and multiply” by marrying as many wives, all at the same time, as he could possible find, and then proceeding to treat them all as his captive, biological slaves, who were good for nothing to him and his LDS (Mormon) cult leaders except to serve as enslaved, mass baby-factories.

  17. Whitewitch says:

    I don’t actually believe in “American Exceptionalism” so I can not speak to that. I do believe that America was founded by mostly religious zealots and criminals and therefore what we are seeing is a country run by those that feel that God is on their side, or are just plain criminals here to steal their fellow Americans blind. I know that is simplistic…but it does explain why we are so screwed up.

  18. Salty_Dave says:

    Fair enough. But, just as an aside, when I lived in San Francisco just a few years ago and I studied with many interesting people, the progressive straight people I knew would lament about gay men in San Francisco and that, by and large as anecdotally observed, they gave the impression of, ‘well I’ve got mine so piss off’. That’s from straight American people living in SF! My experience as a gay man in SF and NYC would confirm the apolitical nastiness of the American urban (white) gay man. A nastiness that is a reflection of the overall society. A nastiness you do not see at the core of society in Canada, or Australia, or Great Britain, or Israel, etc…, but in narrow margins.

    In any case, why has the division of wealth in US society become more unequal since Reagan? Could it be the success of the “progressive” left in the USA? Or, might it be that despite the “progressive” left, American democracy and society has produced that outcome.

    That’s my observation. Or does American Exceptionalism mean no self-reflection is OK and any criticism is to be dismissed as “angry-speak”? Maybe you just frustrated observers.

    Sorry for paying attention.

  19. Butch1 says:

    Jesus wouldn’t recognize this bunch and they wouldn’t recognize him either.

  20. jm2 says:

    to have an ‘intellectual discussion’ one has to have an intellect. sorry that my sarcasm was too sophisticated for you to understand. being that they were attending a “Value Voters Conference” but lacking real world values was also a play on words.

    and as far as ‘my deity’, i can assure you i have not had a ‘deity’ since long before you were born. wait! i do find some value in the “Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.”

  21. Whitewitch says:

    After 50 years in the USA as a woman, not fun let me promise you, what I have done is not to be judged by you. Anger and rage get us nowhere and snipping at each other less so. So you are angry – yeah….join the RWNJ, the Tea Party and other angry groups then. Or let your anger go and try to change things.

  22. fletcher says:

    Wonder what they’d find is somebody studied Guest’s brain. In the immortal words of Ralph Kramden, “You know what they’d find? NOTHING!”

  23. wmforr says:

    Just like any corporation, if they can’t sell their product here, they pedal it overseas.

  24. wmforr says:

    I remember when “Red” meant communist, Russia was our enemy, and people standing in the street yelling “Shut it down!” were communist traitors.

  25. wmforr says:

    Go to Free Republic dot com for that fascinating conversation.

  26. wmforr says:

    A woman on Free Republic was insisting several years ago that homosexuality was a religion.

    I suggested that it therefore was protected by the First Amendment.

    I got banned from the site. Ah well!

  27. wmforr says:

    In a time with a huge infant mortality rate, it made sense. Now, not so much.

  28. wmforr says:

    The Bible is jes’ like an old fiddle: you can play any tune you want to on it.
    –Sojourner Truth (I believe)

  29. wmforr says:

    Love your screen name. It really generates trust.

  30. Salty_Dave says:

    After 20 or so years in the USA as a gay man, that’s the truth I see. What have you done to reverse the rot since Reagan? NOT MUCH. But you did a lot of shopping and bitching at each other.

  31. Aquaria says:

    Oh dear.

    I can guarantee you that they can point to passages that will clearly support all the bile they’re spewing. Because that’s in your big book of bad ideas, too.
    I know for a fact that your deity relishes the idea of eternal torture for the ridiculous crime of not believing what he peddles in in not one, but several instances:

    Matthew (especially Matthew) 7:13-14; 13:41-42; 18:8-9; 25:41 & 46 (a twofer!)

    Mark 9:44

    Luke 12:5 & 16: 19-25

    John 3:36

    Saying or doing some good things doesn’t negate the fact that your deity is a complete and total MONSTER, the very essence of evil. Torture is never justified. EVER. For you to buy into the few good things this psychopath talks about while willfully ignoring the complete evil at the core of the religion is like worshiping Ted Bundy for being the kind of “good” guy who works on the suicide prevention hotline (which he did) and ignoring the fact that he was a serial killer. The difference is that Ted could only kill for a finite time, and undoubtedly knew it. Your evil deity is supposed to be able to torture these people forever. Not even the Marquis de Sade was so relentless and vicious a sadist.

    Me, I wouldn’t want to be part of any ideology that advocates torture of any kind. It boggles my mind how anyone could be.

  32. Aquaria says:

    You didn’t notice these and similar behaviors all the way back to the Reagan and Nixon administrations?


    Because these nuts have been dropping from the trees for close to 50 years now.

  33. Aquaria says:

    The idea of course comes from the hate manual they all follow, specifically Psalm 127:3-5:

    3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. 4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. 5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be
    ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

    The last phrase there is the one that shows just how low and pathetic these losers are. They’ll crank out the kids with the idiotic believe that they’ll get to throw tomatoes at the people turned away from St. Peter’s pearly gates.

    This is the primary appeal of this half-wit’s movement.


  34. Aquaria says:

    Going mad? Honey, went round the bend and off the cliff at least 50 years ago.

  35. Aquaria says:

    You forgot their ritualized hatred of everything Obama, even though he’s done a lot of things they say they want.

  36. Aquaria says:

    It would depress you to know how many of them still blame Darwin, and Anne Barnhardt blames the French Revolution. I’m sure there’s one of them in the Opus Dei who blames Luther and the Reformation.

    I won’t weep for humanity until someone complains about how everything is the fault of whoever decided that becoming a multicellular life form was a good idea.

  37. Aquaria says:

    Don’t be so sure of that. Jesus hated unbelievers enough to wish eternal torture on them.

    A LOT.

  38. Aquaria says:

    McCain was never anything but a self-serving scumbag, even if it meant collaborating with the enemy. It’s not hard to find the memos concerning how he was talking his fool head off to the Viet Cong, the Soviets–whoever they trotted before him. The Code of Conduct has always been clear about not doing that. It doesn’t matter if you’re dying. It doesn’t matter if they’re torturing or killing you. It doesn’t matter if you’re an Admiral’s son and grandson. If anything, if you’re the latter, you should know best of all that YOU DO NOT TELL THE ENEMY SHIT.

    That traitorous scum should have been court-martialed, at a bare minimum, like lesser men were when they talked to the Viet Cong. It would have kept him far away from government office, and that would have been a boon to our country.

    If that’s not enough, his politics are noxious, and he’s the kind of heartless bastard who leaves a wife after she’s been in a tragic accident, to marry a rich woman. He’s always been that kind of asshole.

    There isn’t one redeeming thing about the scumbag.

  39. Aquaria says:

    Invoking No True Scotsman is no way to get through life.
    Look, when I say I’m an atheist and christers tell me I’m not one–just who the hell are you to determine what ***I*** believe or don’t believe?

    Who the hell are you to say these people aren’t christers when they believe in the same deity and read the same manual you do? Just because they cherry pick different parts than you do doesn’t mean they aren’t christers.

    And you all cherry pick the thing, else all of you would have multiple personality disorders.

  40. Aquaria says:

    They get a LOT of government assistance, and undoubtedly have a lot of unreported income.

    I remember a former FLDS woman saying that their compounds were massive government teat-sucking enterprises. The women all apply for whatever they can–welfare, disability, food stamps. You name it, they’re getting it.

    Why don’t the conservatives get all in an uproar about those huge entitlement rackets?

    Oh…Right. Lots more religious right wackaloons being popped out and nurtured into ignorance and being a doormat for authority on those compounds. IOW, the perfect voting base for republicans!

  41. Aquaria says:

    Yeah! Hammers at least have a sharp side!

    Oh, wait–that’s why Louie’s dumber than one, never mind a bag of them.

  42. Aquaria says:

    Intellectual discussion? Sorry, you don’t seem to understand that they’re not just immune to this notion, they’re downright contemptuous of it, and would make it illegal if they could.

  43. Aquaria says:

    Well, there are occasions when you can use it. It’s just when morons trot out Hitler stupidly and/or irrelevantly that you can invoke Godwin.

  44. Aquaria says:

    It’s useless. He has at best a surface understanding of the science, and the morals of a sociopath. There’s no reaching such a being.

  45. Aquaria says:

    Can we do a humor implant on people as clueless as you?

  46. Aquaria says:

    Nobody’s arguing with the science, you liar.

    What we are arguing against is your immoral compulsion to force people NOT to be homosexual, as if there’s anything wrong with it, when there IS NOT. You made it an ethical question, you idiot. We’re arguing the ETHICS of doing such a thing and your utter and appalling lack of the same.

  47. Aquaria says:

    Oh dear. You really are an idiot.

    While it’s true that there is some evidence of epi-marks controlling the selection for homosexuality, it isn’t understood yet, and there will be ZERO genetic alterations done on people for personality or behavior traits that aren’t criminal–if even that much is done.

    But if you’re all gung ho for genetic alterations, then Bring. It. On. I’m sure a lot of scientists wouldn’t mind doing some genetic alterations to remove the propensity for believing idiotic, hateful and violent delusions like religion. Of course, then YOU would be screeching about how that violates your rights to be who you are. You’ll also be screaming your moron head off if there were a government mandate to genetically alter your precious unborn not to be so stupid as to have idiotic and violent delusions like religion. But a disgusting and hateful hypocrite like you is willing to do the same thing to homosexuals.

    If you weren’t as stupid as you are hypocritical and immoral, you’d realize what a Pandora’s box your horrifying and genocidal ideas would create.

    Bananas have more simple decency than you do.

  48. Aquaria says:

    You first, cupcake. All you have is the insane ravings of a deluded bigot.

    And that’s just your genocidal manual. I haven’t even started on you.

  49. Aquaria says:

    You fricking hypocrite. You guys are the ones who make the appeal to nature with the claim that it ISN’T natural.

    We at least provide credible evidence that it IS natural, and all you morons can do is cough up the lies and hate in your genocidal manual.

    You lose, cupcake.

  50. Aquaria says:

    I think their bodies would reject a brain implant. Just look at what happened to the ones they were supposed to be born with!

    I’m not sure, but it’s likely that Michele’s stupid made her brain kill itself in the womb.

  51. Aquaria says:

    I wish we atheists didn’t have to explain to christers what their own manual says, never mind how it works.

    Yes, it’s true that your deity made no specific reference to homosexuality; however, we also know how he felt about the law: Not one jot or tittle of it would be changed until earth and the dubious heaven had passed (Matthew 5:18).

    We also know that the law is NOT in favor of accepting homosexuality. The relevant law would have included Leviticus 20:13, which specifically states that men caught lying with another man as if with a woman must be murdered. IOW, gay men must be murdered.

    Since earth is still here, murdering gay men is still a law under biblical “justice” and thus still in effect according to your own jaysus’ words. You just have to accept that.

    The only way you can make the scripture fit more enlightened and tolerant ideas, you need to do another heavy edit of your manual. It does no good to include Leviticus, Deuteronomy, the David saga or the murderous bears, if you don’t care about the laws, never mind what they are. You could just delete the remarks from your deity about the law, keep the creation myth, the 10Cs (most of which are illegal in most western nations) and a few of the better prophecies, and then you can ditch the rest of the bloodthirsty OT. Why include it if the laws and rules don’t matter, as so many of you claim?

    You’ll also have to get rid of Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:9-10. While you’re at it, I’d advise updating the parts about your deity being groovy with slavery. Oh–and Revelations and the stuff about women shutting up and being lesser beings–gotta go.
    The way it’s written now and the very bad ideas in it are a travesty against human rights and good literature.

  52. The_Fixer says:

    As I mentioned in a comment above, you are being completely disingenuous. Your interpretation of Dr. Rice’s research is completely wrong.

    The title of your link says it all. “Scientists may have finally unlocked the puzzle of why people are gay.” It does not say that scientists are looking for a cure for being gay.

    Nowhere does Dr. Rice call it a birth defect. He calls it a plausible explanation, requiring further testing. He specifically calls it something that is naturally occurring, noting that homosexuality is present in many animal species. He proposes no cure, and doesn’t even mention his research being used as a basis for a cure, only as a possible answer to a question that has been asked for a long time.

    Stop your ridiculous sophistry and move on.

  53. The_Fixer says:

    First off, you did not include the full quote. But that’s all right, Dr. Van Gijseghem’s opinion is not anywhere near universal, and is controversial. Even if it were proven to be true, it has nothing to do with homosexuality.

    Of much more use is the research into the brains and bodies of pedophiles done by Dr. James Cantor. He found brain differences relating to the frontal lobe, right-vs-left hemisphere development, in addition to shorter stature. This reflective of other research regarding pedophiles – that they are sexually immature.

    There are minor observable brain differences between heterosexual and homosexual people. But nothing of the scale observed by Dr. Cantor when he observed those differences between pedophiles and heterosexuals.

    None of which has anything to do with homosexuality. Your lumping of pedophilia in with homosexuality is disingenuous at best. Consenting adults engaging in homosexual relationships harm no one. Pedophilic assaults harm the child and stunt the sexual maturity of the offender. If you want to be taken seriously, stop comparing apples to automobiles.

    The removal of homosexuality from the list of mental diseases may not have been as the result of research. But it was as a result of practical experience on the part of psychologists and psychiatrists. They found that there was no reasonable point to keeping it that way, based on their experiences attempting to treat people for it. In fact, they found that trying to change it did far more harm than good. The personal experiences of those who were “treated” for homosexuality as though it is a disease are testament to that fact. They regarded it as a question of human rights, as well.

    It is not noteworthy that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not unanimous. Science is done incrementally and by consensus, based on cumulative knowledge, not by unanimity. If one were to take that vote in this day and age, you’d find that many more would agree with that outcome. That’s because the scientific community knows a lot more than it did in 1973.

    You are also fond of calling homosexuality a disorder, as though it can be cured, or needs curing. Gay people have no problem functioning in society when left alone and not subject to abuse. The increase in suicides that you ascribe to gay people is based on social factors. When gay people are given loving, supportive parents and a social environment that allows them to live as anyone else, there is no such problem. You have this backward – homosexuality does not inherently cause suicidal tendencies. Social stigma associated with it, along with abuse and bullying, does. If people were being bullied because they have green eyes, would you consider that a birth defect? Would you develop an early-warning test to detect it in the womb? Would you attempt to “cure” it by changing them to blue? See how ridiculous this sounds when you put it into that context?

    When all is said and one, you are simply saying that you are as uncomfortable with gay people as you are with pedophiles, and that justifies misinterpreting research and scientific study. Sorry, but your comfort level, or lack of it, should not influence public policy. What should influence public policy is the impact that any given group of people has on society when viewed in an unbiased and truthful way. You are not doing that.

    And with that, I’m done here. There is nothing you’ve said that is of any value to me, and suspect that will not change.

  54. BeccaM says:

    I was going to say ‘anti-gay prejudice’, but I guess ‘angry’ works, too.

  55. Herb Derb says:

    Yeah, we did actually watch these speakers. Nice try though.

  56. Aquaria says:

    You know, I wish all of you would agree amongst yourselves about what your jaysus character is all about before bugging everyone else about the dude. The fundies say he’s vengeful towards anyone who doesn’t agree with them (a shitty way to be, but the passages are there to support that view), while the lovey-dove types say he’s all niceness (and passages support that, too, sort of).

    You both can base your beliefs on a book that contradicts itself at every turn. It makes you both right and both wrong, and ultimately makes your religion look psychotic.

  57. BeccaM says:

    Nice try. But no. Not buying your bigotry.

  58. Guest says:

    If a medical condition is an insult to you than you are bigatory of those with medical conditions.
    Well what is it are you a hypocrite or just ignorant of medical conditions.
    This discredits the first two parts of your post..
    of course you implicate your self and the rest of the posters as ideologues by saying essentially “i dont refute the facts”( might have a point) but i dont like the way you said it, even though i olny used accurate pc words.
    Maby cognitive dissonance would be something to look up…

  59. liftedtrucks says:

    Well if you ever lad a logical arguement it would not hurt my feelings.
    But your illogical arguement does nothing of the sort
    Please look up the logically falcious arguement of adhominem, then look at your post.

  60. Whitewitch says:

    Yes yes yes Ice Cream…it got me through a double mastectomy so you know it works wonders.

  61. Whitewitch says:

    Ahhh the 60’s – what I remember of them – it was wonderful…

  62. Whitewitch says:

    Wow angry much?

  63. liftedtrucks says:

    Of course you could just look up epigenetic cause of homosexuality and see. But of course your ideologue premise will not allow facts of the matter to enter your brain.
    “homosexuality is caused by ‘under-exposure to prenatal androgens’ in males and ‘over-exposure’ in females. “Says doctor Rice of University of California Santa Barbara

  64. liftedtrucks says:

    Scientists at the Karolinska Institute studied brain scans of gay and straight men and women, and found that the size of the two symmetrical halves of the brains of gay men more closely resembled those of straight women than they did straight men. the birth defect of homosexuality/transgender is that it leaves the sufferer with a body and mind that is at dysfunctional cross-purposes. This is irrefutable.

    “homosexuality is caused by ‘under-exposure to prenatal androgens’ in males and ‘over-exposure’ in females. “Says doctor Rice of University of California Santa Barbara

  65. liftedtrucks says:

    Non sequitur

  66. Guest says:

    What is noteworthy about is that when you bring logic and science ot a website like this one you are met with the same illogical ad homine arguement the religous folks default to.
    Any one who respects logic and science will clearly see in the replies to my post.
    Because i am not religous or homosexual i look at the actual science of the matter to find the middle ground truth. Watch as they try to tell me i am religous as the nature of science flies in the face of reliogon and ideologues.
    Scientists at the Karolinska Institute studied brain scans of gay and straight men and women, and found that the size of the two symmetrical halves of the brains of gay men more closely resembled those of straight women than they did straight men. the congenital disorders of homosexuality/transgender/ pedophilic is that it leaves the sufferer with a body and mind that is at dysfunctional cross-purposes. The suffering is in knowing that one’s body does not match one’s mind’s attracted-to gender, real suffering that has compelled some to suicide, substance abuse and violence. That’s a huge defect, obviously. John H. Krystal, M.D., Editor of Biological Psychiatry says that “understanding the neurobiological peculiarities of this disorder should be taken into account to find a treatment.” It is in the same class of dirthdefect as homosexuality, in that body and mind that is at dysfunctional cross-purposes. One point is that pedophila and homosexuality were on the list of mental defects for the same miscatogorized reason. What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was by no means unanimous.

    Today, the dysfunction in the epigenetic mechanism is considered to be at the root of the birth defect of transse#uality. But, is the same true for transse#uality’s cousin homose#uality? Based on recent research, the answer appears to be yes. Here’s an article on a recent scientific discovery about the role of epigenetics in the birth defect of homosexuality: Scientists May Have Finally Unlocked Puzzle of Why People Are Gay -US News and World Report Scientists from the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis say homose#uality seems to have an epigenetic link … passed from father-to-daughter or mother-to-son, explains William Rice, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California Santa Barbara and lead author of the study. ( http://mobile(dot)usnews(dot)com/news/articles/2012/12/11/scientists-may-have-finally-unlocked-puzzle-of-why-people-are-gay) And here’s another reference to this mathematical/biological model implicating epi-marks in the birth defect of homose#uality with respect to the hormonal blasts’ effect: Epigenetics Is A Critical Factor In Homose#uality ( http://www(dot)medicalnewstoday(dot)com/articles/253971(dot)php ) Indeed, soon there will be supplements prescribed for women during gestation to prevent se#uality related defect-causing aberrations from occurring, just like taking high doses of folate when pregnant greatly reduces the epigenetic dysfunction from occurring that causes spina bifida.
    If reducing rates of suicide and mental illness in gays is a goal of the liberal gay agenda, normalizing it through marriage is counter productive. rates of suicide and mental illness among homosexuals in areas where homosexuality has been mainstreamed and widely accepted for decades (i.e., San Francisco, European countries, particularly the Netherlands). However, research shows that there is no reduction in the rates of suicide, mental illness, substance abuse, alcoholism, and homosexual domestic violence in areas where homosexuality is more widely accepted. because as a society it does nothing for us in and of itself except cause dissension, turmoil and some serious health issues. It offers no benefits. Most all transse#uals support research into finding a cure for the birth defect of transse#uality. But a challenge in funding research to find a cure for homose#uality is that homose#uality has been greatly politicized by ideologues, both left and right, who will irrationally oppose both the recent scientific findings and subsequent remedial action. Regardless, the obvious defect-nature of both transse#uality and its scientifically obvious etiological cousin homose#uality will spur scientists dedicated to fighting birth defects to explore ways to prevent the epigenetic dysfunction that causes these defects.

  67. liftedtrucks says:

    Yes lets look at sexual orientation at a scientific stand point.
    Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal, told members of Parliament, “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation.
    the congenital disorders of homosexuality/transgender/ pedophilic is that it leaves the sufferer with a body and mind that is at dysfunctional cross-purposes. The suffering is in knowing that one’s body does not match one’s mind’s attracted-to gender/age, real suffering. That’s a huge defect, obviously.
    The whole point is that pedophila and homosexuality were on the list for the same miscatogorized reason. That is why the cnn host was able to make a case for the removal and it is the same case that was made to remove homosexuality from the list.
    What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was by no means unanimous

  68. vickif says:

    I’ve only heard it called the quiver group. Quiverful does make sense.

  69. Stev84 says:

    “Quiverful” actually. There are tons of blogs by women who have left the movement. It’s absolutely suffocating. They try to destroy every bit of individuality and personality girls have.

  70. Rhondayes says:

    You described the fundie platform. The elimination of abortion.

  71. Rhondayes says:

    Trying to desperately maintain the majority.

  72. Salty_Dave says:

    Oh well, there’s the answer. First God created the universe, then man, then the GOP and Republican Party – because Americans are too propagandized to believe anything else is possible except the false choices they created for themselves and then locked their minds into.

    Can’t argue with the exceptional, can we?

  73. DastiusKrazitauc says:

    Looking at all that, it seems the Values Voters value bitterness and resentment more than anything.

  74. lynchie says:

    they become republicans

  75. ckg1 says:



  76. ckg1 says:

    CD: in regards to your first sentence, the only advice I have I quote from the Rollins Band:

    “Don’t talk about it…DO IT!”

  77. CherryTheTart says:

    Dumb as a box of gohmerts.

  78. CherryTheTart says:

    Using the Bible as an excuse to starve people is the height of blasphemy. But that is what Rep. Fincher did con brio.

  79. Gray Lady says:

    Well stated, Arky.

  80. Pbjorling says:


  81. arkycubbies says:

    Are you a Christian and taking God’s name in vain? Are you a
    Christian that is committing blaspheming? Many of the Christians are! The third
    of the Ten Commandments is that you will not misuse the name of the Lord our
    God. The King James Version says, “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in
    vain”. What does that mean? Does it not mean you will not use God’s name when
    you are committing sins against God? Does it not mean you will not speak for
    God by saying God did this because…, God caused the hurricane because man was
    evil; God did this because you were evil; God did this because America did
    this; or God did this because you….! Have republican Christians not heard of
    the Devil, the Destroyer, and the Deceiver? The republican Christian Right has seemed
    to believe they are the ones that speak for God. The conservatives are quick to
    place blame in God’s name and they tell us what God is saying. Funny thing, I
    hear God saying something total opposite than what the republicans are claiming
    God says. When I read the Bible or pray to God, I hear to love and serve by
    being the shining light of His gossip; not force what I hear from God on other’s
    free will that will cause the redemptive opportunity to be lost.

    I hear God speaking to me through Deuteronomy 10:12 to respect
    God; to live in God’s ways; to love our God; to serve God wholeheartedly; and
    to obey God. I hear God speaking to me in Micah 6:8 to be just to all; to love
    mercy for all; and to walk humbly with God. I hear God telling me to love, to
    have compassion, to care, and to serve the poor, the needy and the helpless 236
    times in His Word, the Bible. I hear God telling me in Proverbs 14:31 that if I
    oppress the poor that I will have contempt towards God and that in Proverbs
    31:8-9 to defend the rights of the poor and needy; yet the republicans take
    food from the hungry poor children. I hear Jesus telling me three times in Matthew
    19: 23-24, Mark 10:24-25 and Luke 18:24-25 that the rich are as likely to enter
    Heaven as it is to put a camel through the eye of a needle; but yet the
    republicans defend the wealthy and capitalism. I hear God telling me in Romans
    13: 1-7 to submit myself to governing authorities, to not rebel against those
    authorities; and to pay my taxes; but yet I see the tea party/republicans/conservatives
    not summiting to the government with a tenacious rebellion fighting taxes on
    the rich. I hear God telling me over 500 times in the Bible to love.

    You tell me if you really think being a republican is what
    God is telling you, because God is telling me republicans are committing
    blaspheme and taking our God’s name in vain. Tell me if the hate, the slander,
    the racism, the rebellion against the government, and the fundamentalism of the
    republicans is what God wants for His children. Jesus showed us what He thought
    about the Pharisees and the republicans are today’s Pharisees!

  82. vickif says:

    Everyone in my family has had to wear glasses from the age of 5. It’s normal for us. The only one who didn’t wear glasses until he was 38 is my youngest son and he just got them this year.

  83. vickif says:

    I had a gay uncle and have a gay son. My uncle had a long time partner and he was at my house all the time. My son was lucky to find his partner and they were able to become husband and husband in NY several years ago. They have been together for 18 years now. I want him to be himself not what some anti-gay person thinks he should be.

  84. RevSMH says:

    I live in Washington, DC. You, my dear, are whackadoodle. I hate to ask but in the interest of being kind and fair, what is untruthful about this that the “Enquirer” could report better? You do understand why people think you are crazy, no?

  85. vickif says:

    I always use Aleve for my arthritis. It’s lasts longer than any other pain killer.

  86. CriticalDragon1177 says:

    Becca Morn,

    This makes me want to re-register as a Democrat. The GOP has gone off the deep end. It seems the Republican party is full of fundamentalists, anti science nut jobs, homophobes, Anti Muslim bigots and racists.

    I wish I had supported Obama from the get go. Now I’m really glad he won, despite the fact that I originally didn’t support him.

  87. vickif says:

    Ice cream fixes most everything, especially chocolate or strawberry. YUM

  88. vickif says:

    It’s called the quiver group. Their oldest son is married and they are expecting their 3rd child already. I’ve read that anyone from a quiver group marries into another quiver group and they all keep having baby after baby.

  89. labman57 says:

    Sure. Go for it.

  90. CrimsonMistress says:

    Duggar is part of the fundie Christian movement that you should pop out all the kids you can because GOD needs soldiers for the End…

  91. BeccaM says:

    Thanks. :-)

  92. Roger says:

    A recent court case attacks the teaching of evolution in schools because it is a religion and you know that America’s Constitution promulgates separation of church and state. Insanity heaped upon insanity. The religious right is going mad.

  93. Roger says:

    I love that line: these covens of right -wing reactionaries and self-righteous Christian social regressives”. Do I have you permission to use it? :)

  94. The_Fixer says:

    If the argument presented is a logical fallacy called “appeal to nature”, then pappyvet didn’t make it. The doctor did. It was in the quote.

    But I don’t think it is a logical fallacy, just recognizing reality. What, we aren’t animals? Yes, we are. We are part of nature.

    The doctor did not find it was a dysfunction of nature, rather, a function of it within the norm.

    I want a link to several surveys or studies that say “Most all transsexuals support research into finding a cure for the birth defect of transsexuality“. I’d also like to know their reasoning for saying so. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that any transgendered people who feel that way would do so because of external societal pressure to conform to what is perceived to be gender norms.

    Further, you are assuming that, even if we know the cause of homosexuality, that we can develop an “early warning” test for it and “fix” it. We simply may not be able to do that, and some parents may not want to do it for a variety of reasons. It would be akin to developing a test for brown eyes, being able to detect it and changing it in the womb.

    Quite frankly, that’s how ridiculous I think your argument sounds. You’re using misinterpretation of science and I suspect adding a little “juice” into your argument that has little, or no basis in fact.

  95. The_Fixer says:

    Hard cider is great, but it has a somewhat negative effect on my lower intestinal tract. Apparently, the resulting emissions drive people from the room and provide some great comic relief.

    I wish you better luck and a speedy recovery.

  96. BeccaM says:

    Thank you… The pain is a little less horrific today. I found some Aleve, as Lynchie suggested, and it does seem a tad better than the Ibu. Plus da wife did me a solid and drove to the pharmacy to buy me more generic Aleve, a couple extra ice packs (3 isn’t enough to keep rotating them), and two new elastic bandages.

    I’m finding the one self-adhesive bandage-wrap is the most helpful so far. Still hobbling, and it’s painful yet, but at least I’m not wincing with every step.

    Rather than ice cream, what I’m indulging in is hard cider.

  97. karmanot says:


  98. karmanot says:

    Because Guesty has come out as straight.

  99. karmanot says:

    I’ll make it simple: Just F**k off

  100. karmanot says:

    Anyone who doesn’t capitalize his/her “i” has a personality disorder.

  101. karmanot says:

    yep, that’s what I do with my knees. It Works!

  102. karmanot says:

    ouch, ouch…… Wit ya! Don’t forget ice cream!

  103. BeccaM says:


  104. karmanot says:

    Let me be the first to tell you missy, your drivel does stink.

  105. karmanot says:

    I know, reality based is such an addiction.

  106. BeccaM says:

    A Constitutional Amendment requires passage by at least 3/4 of the states, in this case, 38 of them. That means only 12 can refuse to ratify for passage to happen.

    There are 13 states with same-sex marriage. New Jersey is under court order to turn its civil union system into full marriage; their Dem-dominated legislature would never vote for the amendment. Gay marriage is under litigation, but will likely become legal here in New Mexico — and an amendment wouldn’t pass here either.

    Illinois appears to be poised to repeal its marriage ban and to enact marriage equality. Pennsylvania is under litigation, and despite being GOP dominated (due to ultra-heavy gerrymandering), I like to believe they wouldn’t vote for a Constitutional amendment either. Nor Hawaii, for that matter.

    I could imagine a scenario where there’d be a new Federal ban, if the GOPers got hold of Congress and the Presidency. But an amendment? Nah.

  107. karmanot says:

    When fetuses go bad!

  108. The_Fixer says:

    For all of your reliance on science in an attempt to make your point, you certainly don’t know much about the science of human sexuality.

    First off, human sexuality is a complex thing that we as humans don’t know enough about. What we do know is that attraction is not cut-and-dried scenario of polar opposites. We also know that it’s not just sexual attraction that plays a part in human romantic relationships.

    Keep in mind that the epigenetic explanation for homosexuality is not accepted science just yet. It’s one possible explanation that needs to be supported with data in order to even become a valid theory. It also doesn’t exactly explain bisexuality.

    But let’s say, for the sake of argument, that it has a basis in reality. How can it be considered a defect rather than just a naturally occurring condition? It doesn’t affect the way a person functions intellectually or physically. The negative mental effects are all generated externally – by those in society who would make gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people lesser-than and would make it their life’s work to deny us a decent life. You know, like the people at the VVS.

    You need to rethink your position, it is invalid.

  109. The_Fixer says:

    He has no incentive to stop. For all of the supposed talk about the Republican party having a “golden principle” of taking personal responsibility, he and his wife are perfect examples of exactly the opposite.

    Every one of these huge families relies on an army of outside help. Donations of life’s necessities and manual labor help them actually feed and clothe their huge families.

    How is that taking personal responsibility? If you plan to have a dozen or more children, perhaps you should figure out how to pay for them? Nah.

    For some reason, they don’t view it the same as being on some form of public assistance. No no, they’re not in the same class as a single mother from the inner city who may need help in the form of public assistance. Because that single mother is a “sinner” and they live good, Christian lives. They’re just doing what their God commanded: be fruitful and multiply. Even if you can’t provide for them. It’s one thing to have a kid out of wedlock and not have the means to support that child, people make all kinds of mistakes. But to deliberately plan a large family that you can’t support is to me, a travesty.

    But don’t tell that to the people at the VVS. They don’t operate on a logical plane of existence.

  110. Mo Reno says:

    Well, uh, no, because “Jesus?”

  111. Mo Reno says:

    Well, it sounds like you’re using a bag of hammers correctly. However, some people use their bags of hammers to think with, and that never ends well.

  112. Mo Reno says:

    Ooh, an internet-scolding! Well, if that’s all you have, use it.

  113. Hue-Man says:

    Good example of the revolving door between government and big business. I would really have to hate myself to become Faux News whipping boy (sort of like Beaker from Muppet Labs).

  114. Shlomo Abrin says:

    The conversation I want to hear is the one where they talk about EACH OTHER. I bet that’s when the real venom flows.

  115. Vaporizer says:

    Oh they embrace the russians and Putin openly now. They admire the fact that 110 Russians own 35% of the country’s wealth.

  116. BeccaM says:

    They sound just like Russia on gay issues because many of the groups attending the VVS are heavily involved in exporting their anti-gay hate to Russia. Just last June, Brian Brown of NOM was testifying before committees of the Russian Duma, using the discredited Regnerus study to urge them to pass anti-gay laws.

  117. lynchie says:

    And now Kucinich sucks the big cock of Fox

  118. BeccaM says:

    The founder of the World Congress of Families, Allan Carlson, absolutely does.

  119. BeccaM says:

    I know, I’m terrible that way.

  120. BeccaM says:

    Thanks, Lynchie.

  121. Monoceros Forth says:

    I think they might try it one more time because a flat Constitutional ban on same-sex marriage is getting to be the only option left open to the Bible-thumpers (short of out-and-out mutiny) to force a religious definition of marriage on the country. The right-wing attempts to come up with arguments against marriage equality that won’t get laughed out of court haven’t been working so well; after all, if the core and center of your case against same-sex marriage is that it’s icky and makes Baby Jesus cry, it’s difficult to make a convincing case before a judge.

  122. Dick7s says:

    This is what happens when you eliminate or make access to abortion difficult. You wind up with these fuckers!

  123. labman57 says:

    The Values Voters Summit has much in common with CPAC — both exemplify everything that has gone wrong within the Republican Party, as these annual gatherings are essentially full-fledged political circuses … complete with a multitude of bombastic clowns and an abundant supply of elephant poop.

    Furthermore, these covens of right wing reactionaries and self-righteous Christian social regressives provide a vehicle for conservative extremists and tea party lunatics to engage in “Stuart Smalley-esque” affirmation-fests … as well as present banal, snarky speeches laden with rehashed Bush-era talking points, theocracy-promoting rhetoric, petty insults, and a healthy dose of misogynistic, homophobic, and racist innuendo.

    I would have loved to have been the guy who ran the tin foil concession stands at CPAC and the VVS. Would have made a small fortune in sales.

  124. Hue-Man says:

    Why have “progressive” Americans been such a failure?

    Money, money, money, etc. The Democrats have been bought off by big business – pharma, banks, war contractors, etc. Both parties are fighting over the 1% and ignoring the 99%. Best example, Billy Tauzin.

    Political structure. Third parties are nearly impossible in the U.S.

    No organization. Occupy Wall Street is the most recent example of an attempted “progressive” movement that lacked money and organizational structure.

    TeaParty/GOP hard-right turn. Democrats have adopted far right policies to stay in contact with the TP/GOP. The few progressives are seen as utopian cranks (Sanders, Grayson, Kucinich).

  125. lynchie says:

    Aleve is best. Try bag of frozen veggies on your knee, pop back in the freezer to refreeze it conforms to the shape of your knee

  126. Joakim says:

    This sounds just like russia when it comes to the gay issues.
    On the other hand, listening to the religious things it is more like Iran.

    What astonishes me is that so many people can be so indoctrinated and not see it.

  127. jomicur says:

    “when the medical community calls homosexuality something to be cured…” You would have a very valid point except for one thing: the medical community says the exact opposite.. Every professional medical group on the map has said clearly and emphatically that homosexuality is NOT a defect and does NOT need to be cured. Only crackpots like Richard Cohen (who says gays can become straight by whacking a pillow with a tennis racket), Mark Regnerus (whose “research” has been so thoroughly discredited it’s amazing he has the nerve to show his face in public) and YOU say what you are claiming. There was a time when respectable people used to pay tuppence to see creatures like you in Bedlam. But in this more enlightened age we don’t need to do that. We have the internet, where you expose your mental incapacity for all to see.

  128. Stev84 says:

    They couldn’t get a ban passed at the height of Bush regime. And they had their only chance then. Given all the states that have same-sex marriage and Civil Unions today, they simply couldn’t get enough states to ratify it.

  129. jomicur says:

    “both sides,” quite literally. It is an article of faith in our “news” media that there are exactly two sides–and ONLY two–to every issue. And that “both sides” carry equal weight and are equally deserving to be aired with no analysis or even a requirement that they be fact-based. Depth? Nuance? Fact checking? Fuhgetaboutit!

  130. Stev84 says:

    Gay people don’t want to change genders.

  131. GarySFBCN says:

    Oh fuck off. About a third of the people I know had to wear glasses as children. Where’s the ‘study’ of this ‘defect’ that clearly affects many more people than homosexuality, and cost a lot, sometimes in delayed learning (until the issue is ‘discovered’) and in the actual cost of corrective lenses?

    Most decent people oppose bogus research.

    Maybe you should move to Stepford.

  132. Stev84 says:

    There was a great scene in “The Fosters” using that line:

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  134. Salty_Dave says:

    This is the price that you pay for forming a nation with human history’s largest slave society. You wanted a continent-wide country that could become a world player. Because of that, you made a deal with the devil and 220 or so years later you now reap the reward. With every passing day it is more and more difficult for Americans to speak reasonably with people from other advanced countries. And yet, most Americans will bury heads in the sand and pretend many parts of history never happened. For example, you will deny the historical truth that the Republican Party and the southern whites wanted neutrality in WW2 and prevented US entry into the war by 2 years while the British, Canadians, Russians, Australians, even Indians fought the good fight. As the neutrality argument went, logically, an accommodation would have been made with Hitler’s Germany had it defeated the Allies. No? Is this not true? Not the logical extension of the neutrality argument? Of course you’ll twist yourselves into a denial and rely on the child’s argument of being “exceptional” and therefore normal rules of human behavior do not apply to you. No one else buys that crap.

    Why have “progressive” Americans been such a failure?

  135. Monoceros Forth says:

    Because i am not religous [sic]…

    Already bearing false witness I see!

  136. Monoceros Forth says:

    Still getting mileage out of Sandra Fluke?

    Hell, a lot of these clowns still blame everything on the ’60s.

  137. olandp says:

    You are such a master of logic and science surely you must realize that your argument amounts to, “Homosexuality is a ‘birth defect’ that some humans choose.”

    A ‘birth defect’ is something that is present at birth, hence the word ‘birth’. By definition it cannot be chosen. You are saying that homosexuality is inherent, from birth. Defect can be debated, just as stupidity is a defect, your ignorance is chosen.

  138. keirmeister says:

    “Values Voters”. The only thing these people appear to value is ignorance, intolerance, and hate.

  139. diggit says:

    Rubio is right.

  140. olandp says:


  141. caphillprof says:

    Is it genetic, too much inbreeding? Or do these folk have really screwed up personal lives?

  142. Direnar says:

    You have problems, dude. Obviously.

    You are sick man, obviously. You’re also obviously very stupid, bigoted, prejudiced, and afraid of any change in your life. Obviously.

    These are facts, don’t hide from them. Oh did I hurt your feelings? Well then stop saying stupid shit and activate your brain before you write something so idiotic that the Curiosity Rover on Mars registered the collective facepalm all the way from Earth. In other words, you’re wrong.

  143. Direnar says:

    What? Sources? No source? Fuck you then, go sit on a cactus with your epigenetic dysfunctions. Homosexuality doesn’t need a cure, what does need a cure is stupidity, and you’d make a fine first candidate.
    Did they open the asylum today or what? Bunch of idiots running around.

  144. Direnar says:

    Jodi are you fucking retarded? Did the conservative worms eat your brain to the point that you no longer percieve reality through external stimulae, but rather live in your own bubble, and instead of the WORDS that these assholes say you only percieve a soothing droning?

    Jodi, wake the FUCK up, you stupid idiot. These people are awful and they are parasites. You’re supporting monsters. And guess what, they don’t give a single fuck about your stupid ass.

  145. GeeOPee says:

    I’m so sick of these crazy people!

  146. Bob Martin says:

    Good vocabulary is a poor cover for bad bullshit.

  147. HelenRainier says:

    I really don’t care if these WRNJs want to use the Bible and their religion to base their beliefs on — it’s their lives. However, I do draw the line when they are so dead set on forcing those beliefs down my throat or think our secular laws need to be changed to legitimize their beliefs. Thank Dog I’m an agnostic/humanist. Bat shit crazy? YES.

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  149. mirror says:

    Still getting mileage out of Sandra Fluke? The followers of these people are completely demented and delusional. It is really unfortunate that rich rightwingers like the Koch brothers keep filling their coffers or they wouldn’t have any stage at all to spout from.

  150. mirror says:

    Houndentenor is sooo right. The more you listen, and the more context you add, the more crazy and frightening they become.

  151. AnitaMann says:

    Jesus barfed.

  152. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    People like you are the reasons that so many of our young people commit suicide and abuse substances. The violence is one of the questionable things that you wrote. Gay people tend to be rather pacific. When did the medical community as a whole say that homosexuality is something to be cured? I guess you need to give links to those statements.

  153. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    I get that. It’s probably a good thing al lot of the guys around here are just gay, or we would all be after Becca.

  154. Mighty says:

    Why can’t you just live your life and let us live ours in peace? Its not that hard.

  155. Randy says:

    And it ruins the whole day of people like you who would discriminate against gays for something they have no control over, right?

    So what’s next — forcing all gays to be “cured”? Even against their will? That’s your idea of liberty, I suppose.

  156. Randy says:

    Well, then, since you view homosexuality as a defect not of our own doing, then you certainly cannot condone discrimination or marginilization of any kind against us, since it is not our fault, right?

  157. liftedtrucks says:

    Your arguement is a logical fallacy called appeal to nature. All your listed animals get cancer. Is cancer something we should disreguard as natural?

    What the doctor in your study proports is mechanism of causation of homosexuality : epigenetic dysfunction in gestation. Clearly, functions occurring during gestation that are epigenetically regulated can go awry, creating birth defects. Today, the dysfunction in the epigenetic mechanism is considered to be at the root of the birth defect of transsexuality. But, is the same true for transsexuality’s cousin homosexuality? Based on the research, the answer appears to be yes. this is backed up by doctor Rice.
    Most all transsexuals support research into finding a cure for the birth defect of transsexuality. But a challenge in funding research to find a cure for homosexuality is that homosexuality has been greatly politicized by ideologues, both left and right, who will irrationally oppose both the recent scientific findings and subsequent remedial action.

  158. emjayay says:

    Well they certainly are obsessed with a lot of issues that Jesus never brought up, and not at all with the things he did actually talk about.

  159. liftedtrucks says:

    The suffering is in knowing that one’s body does not match one’s mind’s attracted-to gender, real suffering that has compelled some to suicide, substance abuse and violence. That’s a huge defect, obviously. homosexuality is caused by ‘under-exposure to prenatal androgens’ in males and ‘over-exposure’ in females. All of a sudden the whole world crashes around some folks when the medical community calls homosexuality something to be cured… even when the facts are on the side of pursuing a such a cure. Ruins the whole day of people who have sepnt their entire lives trying to get the rest of us to believe it’s ‘normal’ only to find the assertion was not true. Should we hide from such facts based on hurting someone’s feelings?

  160. Houndentenor says:

    Because the mainstream media is caught in the trap of treating both sides of every argument as if each were equally valid, no matter how batshit crazy one side of that argument might be.

  161. Houndentenor says:

    The problem is that most of them are from districts or states where what they said would make them more popular with enough voters to win elections. Santorum being the obvious exception. Cruz’s numbers would go up here in Texas for the batshit crazy things he says played in an ad.

  162. Houndentenor says:

    Honey if I had a choice I’d be bisexual. I have known some great women that I wish I could have loved “that way”. *sigh* Not that I’d want to be straight. I love the men too much. But if I had a choice, which I don’t, I’d fall in love with whoever I fell in love with regardless of their sex. It doesn’t work that way at least not for a lot of us.

  163. Houndentenor says:

    “I remember that day in fifth grade when I thought to myself, I wonder what I could do to get beat up even more at school. I know. I’ll be a homosexual!” said no one ever.

  164. Houndentenor says:

    LOL. I read longer sections and watched a few videos already. The recap doesn’t do the speakers justice. They come off a lot worse in long form.

  165. Houndentenor says:

    Yanno sometimes I feel sorry for John McCain. He does occasionally want to do the right thing (like on torture) but then he spent enough time cozying up to the people who attack him most so it’s really a problem of his own making. I feel the same way about all the sane people in the GOP. They courted these nutjobs for the last 35 years and now that they have taken over the party they seem surprised that they are acting this way. How stupid can you be? I have known people like this my entire life and they were ALWAYS like this. You had to look for them because they were only on local radio or speaking at off hours on CSPAN but they were always there. Now they are in charge and the decent people in the party (Powell, Hagel and many others want nothing to do with any of it. This is what you get for pandering to extremists. You let them into your house and you’re surprised that they are acting like they always acted and now actually have the power and influence to do what you promised them you would do for decades but didn’t really plan on ever getting around to doing. The GOP deserves this. The rest of us don’t and unfortunately if the Republican leadership can’t take charge of their own party they are going to take the whole country over the cliff with them.

  166. BillFromDover says:

    Judas Iscariot is turning over in his grave.

  167. RealAmericanPatriot says:

    How dare you libs post actual quotes from the republicans without cleaning it up to make it look better

  168. Jodi says:

    What a bunch of misleading garbage.

    If any of you had a clue you would watch these speakers yourselves & not depend on an idiot interpreting INCORRECTLY what was said. The enquirer magazine has more truth than this drivel.

  169. Mighty says:

    That works just dandy.

  170. Mighty says:

    The video from this summit should be used in commercials to show the general public what they are voting for when they go to the ballot box IMHO.

  171. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    I prefer to say that I had a choice. The choice was being happy or not being happy. I chose being happy, and I was able to tract down the guy who was able to make me really happy.

  172. Mighty says:

    Ahhh that old argument of choice. In the strictest of sense yes its a choice. If I am hungry I eat. That is my biology. I can chose not to eat and starve myself to death. That would be going against my biology. What fundamentalists fail to understand is that sexuality is not black or white. For whatever reason my biology has me attracted to other men. I don’t know why but it does. Now I could choose to be celibate and have NO sexual interactions at all but that would be going against my nature. Even ex gays say the “desires” are still there.

    Conversely I could do what fundamentalists seem to believe is the only option stay closeted, marry a woman and have sex with her. Unfortunately that ruins two peoples lives. The woman in that case deserves to be with someone who is fully attracted to her and devoted to her and won’t be hurt when the man can’t resist his biology. Furthermore the strain emotionally and mentally on both of them including the closeted person is morally cruel to force on people.

    My sister was the unfortunate recipient of the latter. She married her high school sweetheart but he was closeted. She found out about him by coming home to him being in bed with another man. This hurt her in ways I don’t have time to list here and for a very long time. It wasn’t until I later came out to her that she began to see it not as pure evil. It was very difficult for me to come out to her for obvious reasons and she knew it. We don’t see eye to eye politically but we do have a good family relationship in spite of this. She is good to me and my partner.

    Why ruin so many lives just so others can feel good about their religious beliefs? How about instead they live their lives as the example and let us live ours in peace.

  173. BeccaM says:

    Gosh, sorry! I’ve been so busy over here on AmericaBlog, I keep forgetting I still have a blog of my own. And thanks. :-)

  174. Dawn Rainbow says:

    Exactly. Far from.

  175. Dawn Rainbow says:

    Perfectly well said. Scientific studies have long shown orientation or romantic preferences are naturally inherited traits just like eye color, skin color, hair color or any physical trait.
    It’s insulting to even justify his insane, ignorant, bigoted, homophobic “birth defect” comment with a serious reply, but we can’t let his ignorance sit out there unchallenged or he thinks he has some point.

  176. Monoceros Forth says:

    Ah, “values”. Yet another word which the American right has almost irremediably corrupted, along with “family”.

  177. pappyvet says:

    Yes well this “new science” as presented by you is a twist of the truth.

    A group of scientists suggested Tuesday that homosexuals get that trait from their opposite-sex parents: A lesbian will almost always get the trait from her father, while a gay man will get the trait from his mother.Some people are right-brained. “It’s been swept under the rug, people are still stuck on this idea that it’s unnatural. Well there are many examples of homosexuality in nature, it’s very common.” Homosexual behavior has been observed in black swans, penguins, sheep, and other animals,according to William Rice, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California Santa Barbara and lead author of the study. There is no “birth defect.”

  178. Joneses says:

    They are far from Christians.

  179. Dawn Rainbow says:

    I’m responding to the “religious” nut, minute who’s posting on this blog to bash people’s natural orientations.
    BTW, who are you to tell me what the subject is? Christ is always the subject for many religious homophobes who hypocritically hide behind Christ to propagate their hate and intolerance. Fact is their own religious teachings of Christ prove their hypocrisy and hate against minorities.
    I have the right to point out these contradictions & the homophobic religious hypocrisy involved.

  180. pappyvet says:

    He does not care enough to stop.

  181. pappyvet says:

    Go to your blog Sis, get a glass of wine and enjoy the last two links I gave you

  182. nicho says:

    I hope that Duggar, who is basically just a hoarder, understands that the Nazis wanted Aryans to have as many babies as possible. Duggar needs to understand that his wife’s vagina isn’t a Kristian Klown Kar.

  183. BeccaM says:

    And take a hard run for the Wingnut Welfare and Retirement Income Guarantee Program — after all, Jim DeMint is right there showing them how it’s done.

  184. BeccaM says:

    I just fixed a few of the missing links in the story, and one misspelling. Sorry, I was in a hurry, and actually John actually stepped in to help me finish the post. I badly sprained my right knee early this afternoon and am in considerable pain as a result.

    I know — ibuprofen, ice, compression, elevation, doing all the right things. Fortunately my better half is taking very good care of me. Even let me off from doing the dishes after dinner.

  185. BeccaM says:

    I was almost going to ask him, “Ben Carson, is that you? The meds you’re on, they’re not working.”

  186. BeccaM says:

    You do know that ‘ad hominem’ is when you attack the deliverer of a message — as you’ve done here, as opposed to the substance of the critique, which was that these far right radicals are increasingly unhinged and their claims at odds with reality, common sense, and simple human decency. With, in this post, numerous examples provided.

    And a hasty generalization is when you refer to ‘ideologues on the left,’ homosexuality as a ‘birth defect’ and a ‘congenital disorder.’ It’s also an extremely bigoted remark to make to those of us who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, and/or transgender.

    Since you seem to be so fond of big words, you might want to look up “psychological projection.” And then f*ck off, because gay people aren’t going to listen to you say we’re suffering from a ‘epigenetic dysfunction’ and say, “Gee, this fellow might have a valid point.”

    You don’t. Not to us.

  187. sophie says:

    “Ideologues on the left, though they’ll accurately deny homosexuality is a
    conscious choice, will suddenly stop there and feign dumbness that
    homosexuality isn’t the obvious birth defect that it is…”

    ” Regardless, the obvious defect-nature of both transsexuality and its
    scientifically obvious etiological cousin homosexuality will spur
    scientists dedicated to fighting birth defects to explore ways to
    prevent the epigenetic dysfunction that causes these defects.”

    You can come back when you are able to state something that is actually intelligible. Your comments are nonsense, besides the obvious homophobia and bigotry.

    There are no ” recent scientific findings and subsequent remedial action,” and you are nothing but a right wing hatemonger.

  188. sophie says:

    Yeah, and they are reportedly “trying” for number twenty. Assholes on parade.

  189. sophie says:

    WHO are you responding to? “Christ” is NOT the subject here.

  190. Jim Olson says:


  191. UrsusArctos says:

    They’re running on gays.
    Looks like their (idea) tank is empty.
    And a bunch of them have the vapors.

    The new normal.

  192. Indigo says:

    That is amazing! I have never before seen an entire social pathology set out for self-analysis by the inmates of what can only be the Miskatonic Asylum. Astonishing! Noam Chomsky, translate that.

  193. cole3244 says:

    religious cover allows the haters to hate without consequences.

  194. Rob says:

    Re: Louis Gohmert. I will not have you insulting the intelligence of a bag of hammers like that.

  195. Thom Watson says:

    “To ban it, is to destroy America and her ideals.”

    They see this as a feature, not a bug.

  196. rudolf schnaubelt says:

    are you so lacking in self awareness as to believe you are engaging in civil discourse. you have just used emotionally neutral language to demonstrate what a massively insensitive prick you are. you must know that have deliberately and baselessly slandered most of the participants in this thread. smug, self satisfied, cretin.

    hush now child, adults talking.

  197. Tom Chicago says:

    Summit, no; nadir, yes.

  198. jm2 says:

    what these people really need is values clarification sessions. yes, there really is such a thing. what it entails is a thoughtful & logical inward inspection using clear ideas of how you came to the point you are. it needs intellectual discussion, role play, and training. yes, it would be a long & arduous task by someone who doesn’t give up easily! and you’d probably have to be nuts to do it…..

  199. A ‘defect’ suggests a flaw that prevents one from living one’s life as a full-functioning human being. Homosexuals and transsexuals don’t have a defect. But you have chosen one, willful stupidity, for yourself.

  200. TonyT says:

    Religious Right Equal American Taliban

  201. nowaRINO says:



  202. Dawn Rainbow says:

    Yeah, let’s start with one cure but in a room containing the likes of Bachmann, Ben Carson, psycho EW, Rosenberg & Gohmert, several aggressive cures are needed.

  203. FLL says:

    I think that even the most politically successful among these speakers (like Sen. Marco Rubio) realize that their window of electability (and even public acceptance) has passed. The only way to save themselves from being completely forgotten in American society is to compete with each other for the Guinness World Record for a public display of mental imbalance.

  204. Ather says:

    The only way to get a Constitutional ban on same-sex marriage is to first repeal the 9th Amendment (which our glorious constitutional defenders, the NRA will never let happen). Try reading the Constitution sometime Jim DeMint. Turns out, the 9th prohibits you of doing this. Not only doe sit cover rights not expressly mentione din the Bill of Rights, but alos forbids the Gov from making nay laws to dney someoen a right ebcause of a right already specifically covered in The Bill of Rights. In other words, Gov can’t make a law denying rights to gays because it “allegedly” violates the gay haters’ Freedom Of Religion.

    And of course, Freedom Of Religion prevents anyone making any anti-gay laws based on religious reasons. Which is the ONLY reason people have. Not to mention, the whole reparation fo chruch and state.

    A Constitutional ban on same-sex marriage doe sin fact violate several Constitutional Admentments (1, 8, 9, & 14), as well as the separation of Church & State. To ban it, is to destroy America and her ideals.

  205. Roger says:

    Right wing conservatives of the kind we are now seeing are genetically defective. A cure anyone?

  206. pappyvet says:

    To rule is the objective and hate is the tie that binds

  207. FLL says:

    Um… speaking of birth defects…

  208. TampaZeke says:

    It must really suck to be you.

  209. Maria Aragon says:

    As soon as some idiot invokes the Nazis and the Holocaust they’ve revealed just how incredibly stupid they are, which apparently is not hard for these malevolent yokels to do.

  210. Dawn Rainbow says:

    Intolerance against conservatives? Right, we’re the intolerant ones dictating everybody should think, act & look like us. Nice try, Rubio but you know who the really intolerant party is and it’s not us.

  211. Dawn Rainbow says:

    Who are we to decide somebody’s romantic preferences are a disease to be cured. Where are the scientific facts to prove this? Science actually proves the contrary, we’re all one people looking for a better life.
    Stop judging people and demanding we all look, love, think and act alike. Sheesh, get a life instead of hating. It wouldn’t hurt if you followed the true Christ & HIS ACTUAL teachings meaning CARING for those who are less fortunate, the more vulnerable and not cut aid to the poor, to hungry children & poor seniors like Christ would have actually wanted. The hypocrisy.
    Christ would never think sexual orientation either way is a disease but would promote love wherever it comes from.

  212. The Values Voter Summit: Mental illness on display.

  213. Dawn Rainbow says:

    What’s next, a cure for heterosexuality? A cure for being black, white, Asian? Get a grip, dude, let people be people. Hate is taught by hateful people so it can be repudiated.
    Break the cycle of hate, ignorance and prejudgment. Live and let live and you’ll find true happiness without it being at the expense of other people.

  214. GarySFBCN says:

    Instead of wasting funds on trying to ‘cure’ something that isn’t a defect, disease or problem, your post does highlight the need to fund the effort to cure stupidity.

  215. Dawn Rainbow says:

    Right, we’re the real bigots, the real problem for pointing out their bigoted policies that harm innocent people just trying to live their lives in peace.

  216. Dawn Rainbow says:

    You got that right, whenever cons try to identify with something, you can be sure it’s the exact opposite. There’s nothing or little of value in their talking points. Free Dumb people is what they really are.
    They’re such a bigoted, disgusting embarrassment to America.

  217. Naja pallida says:

    They’re a slowly dying breed, and in order to retain the same level of psychosis each one of them has to get louder and more crazy with each passing year.

  218. richardgrabman says:

    I believe Santorum is channelling Anne Barhardt… an extreme right-wing
    Catholic (she calls the Pope both a Fascist and a hippe) who ties most
    of what she perceives as “EVIL” to the French Revolution. Santorum’s
    rhetoric seems to echo some of her lectures on the Vendée.

  219. minutemanIII says:

    As we can see here there is more ad hominem and hasty generalization than valid reporting.
    Not that any politized premise (logical or not) of this issue is more true than the other.

    Because i am not religous or homosexual i look at the actual science of the matter to find the middle ground truth.
    Ideologues on the left, though they’ll accurately deny homosexuality is a conscious choice, will suddenly stop there and feign dumbness that homosexuality isn’t the obvious birth defect that it is, in fear that the obviously accurate status of ” congenital disorder ” will reduce support for political agendas championed by the left wing. Regardless, the obvious defect-nature of both transsexuality and its scientifically obvious etiological cousin homosexuality will spur scientists dedicated to fighting birth defects to explore ways to prevent the epigenetic dysfunction that causes these defects.
    But a challenge in funding research to find a cure for homosexuality is that homosexuality has been greatly politicized by ideologues, both left and right, who will irrationally oppose both the recent scientific findings and subsequent remedial action.

  220. Chef Kowalski says:

    Value Voters? They’re so devalued that if they were a refrigerator they would be sent back to the factory as damaged and defective before being offered to the public.

  221. Naja pallida says:

    Because any time their crazy is pointed out, they whine, cry, and say how unfair it is to point out how crazy they are. Obviously, by pointing out how crazy they are, that makes them the victims!

  222. BeccaM says:

    I’ve just barely delved into the cesspool of crazy hate which is the Values Voters Summit, and honestly, I think this year is their worst so far in terms of absolute batshit insanity.

    Constant and unrelenting Nazi references. Equating a (rather flawed) health insurance reform bill with slavery and concentration camps. Apocalypse and Armageddon imminent. Threats to start a revolution and replace our government with a theocracy. Women apparently should never get in the way of sperm cells fertilizing their eggs. And of course, bucket-loads of virulent gay-bashing. All slathered thick with a gravy of easily refuted and disproven lies.

    They’re making House Republicans seem almost reasonable by comparison.

  223. Phil says:

    Powkat, the entire Tea Party movement has been trapped in insanity (and inanity) and since birth, to the last man or woman, never experienced reality.

  224. ForsettiJustice says:

    I guess “F*cked Up Values Voters Summit” couldn’t fit on the banners.

  225. Isaac says:

    Why don’t the mainstream news networks publicize how crazy these people are? They always present them as rational people with different views. They are not rational, they are insane hate mongers.

  226. Powkat says:

    I would have trouble believing that Jim Bob Duggar wasn’t doing an Andy Kaufman routine, except the right has actually jumped off the cliff. Mostly I feel sorry for his kids – imagine being trapped in that insanity since birth and never allowed to experience reality.

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