Internet excoriates Green Party’s Jill Stein for calling Hillary bad mom

Green party presidential candidate Jill Stein celebrated Mother’s Day by calling Hillary Clinton a bad mother.

Stein lobbed the charge on Twitter, where she also implicitly suggested that, unlike Hillary, she was a great mother.

Stein — who refers to herself on Twitter as “Dr. Jill Stein” (I really have an issue with people who do that; it used to be a thing, now it’s just arrogant) — may be the only mother in the history of Mother’s Day to devote the holiday to honoring herself.

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Stein’s Twitter outburst was immediately met with widespread derision:

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A few left animated gifs as well:

hillary brush shoulder bye forever tina fey go home

But perhaps the best response was this:

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450 Responses to “Internet excoriates Green Party’s Jill Stein for calling Hillary bad mom”

  1. Rainbird says:

    What? I would be *extremely* unlikely to say anything anti-semitic if you know what I am saying…. I can’t see anything that could even be construed so.

  2. wildcolonialboy says:

    What does the fact Sanders is Jewish have to do with anything?

    Anti-semitic creep

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  4. jalp says:

    Looks like my response to *you* has disappeared now. To summarize quickly: I posted a link to Dr. Stein’s complete Mother’s Day statement; Ezzy666 responded about why men weren’t asked to show fatherly values; I tried to agree that they could be, but added that mothering was probably getting more attention because we’ve had fathers as Presidents and not yet any mothers. That reply post of mine disappeared twice — I don’t know how, or by whom. I do know they showed up on the site immediately after I posted them.

    And I’ve just seen my further reply to Ezzy666’s further response (“I never imagined that I didn’t qualify to be the first female president b/c I am child-free.”) disappear too — so I’ve just re-typed that in (also quoted here to help you find it if it vanishes again): “Non sequitur — does not follow. Not from what Dr. Stein said, not from
    what I wrote. One can show the values she mentioned, support the
    policies she advocated, without being literally a mother — or even a
    woman, for that matter.”

    I don’t know whether this is a system error, or someone deleting my posts because of their viewpoint, or what. But whatever the problem, this site needs to fix it.

  5. jalp says:

    Non sequitur — does not follow. Not from what Dr. Stein said, not from what I wrote. One can show the values she mentioned, support the policies she advocated, without being literally a mother — or even a woman, for that matter.

  6. jalp says:

    Non sequitur — does not follow. Not from what Dr. Stein wrote, not from what I said. One can show the values she was talking about, and support the policies she mentioned, without being literally a mother — or even a woman, for that matter.

  7. Ezzy666 says:

    I never imagined that I didn’t qualify to be the first female president b/c I am child-free.

  8. Average Joe says:

    no on cares you moron

  9. jalp says:

    Thank you for looking into this. I’ll tell you all I can.

    Six days ago I put in a reply to the article:

    [== start my original reply ==]
    If you’ll pardon me showing my age by paraphrasing Paul Harvey, hold your judgment until you read . . . the rest of the story:

    http://www.jill2016.com/_a_women_president_mother_s_day
    [== end my original reply ==]

    Later that same day, Ezzy666 responded to the above post:

    [== start Ezzy666’s original response ==]
    Why aren’t male candidates expected to reflect the values of being a father?
    [== end Ezzy666’s original response ==]

    When I saw notification of that response, I responded to it. Then a day or two later, I saw that my response wasn’t there, so I re-created it. Both times, I hit the post button and the response appeared on the screen when I was there — but when I came back to the site, it was gone. I don’t know where the system (or someone else) put that response; all I know is that it was gone. So I re-created it and posted it a third time yesterday, with the additional note on the disappearance — both as a response to Ezzy and as this independent post.

    I hope this helps you figure out what happened.

  10. Moderator3 says:

    Please explain this comment. You have no comments in the deleted folder.

  11. jalp says:

    In case my reply to Ezzy666’s response to my “rest of the story” post is deleted a *third* time, let’s try it as an independent post. I would agree with Ezzy666’s implied suggestion that male candidates certainly could be expected to reflect good fathering values, but I would add that more attention is probably being paid to mothering because we haven’t had a mother as
    President yet — not for lack of trying by Greens, among others — and we have had a lot of fathers in that office already.

  12. jalp says:

    I’ve replied to this twice, but there’s no sign of either reply here. What’s the problem? All I said was that male candidates certainly could be expected to reflect good fathering values, but that more attention is probably being paid to mothering because we haven’t had a mother as President yet (not for lack of trying by Greens among others) and we have had a lot of fathers in that office already.

  13. grejambri says:

    $Hillary is despicable. I will vote for Bernie or Jill Stein in the general. I will never vote for Clinton.

  14. grejambri says:

    This article is complete bullshit. I don’t know about being a mother, but Dr. Jill Stein (yes, she’s an MD, and has the right to refer herself as such) is certainly a better human being that Clinton. Clinton’s war hawk positions have contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands in the ME and South America. She is truly despicable.

  15. NoBebop says:

    This is Paul Manaforth-level bullshit. The good doctor’s tweet is offensive because it is based on nothing. Prove that there are no “maternal values in Hillary’s politics.” You can’t. She tried to get universal health care passed in the Clinton administration, and when that failed she was still able to get a program through that provided cut-rate health insurance for children. Sounds like something a mother would do to me. If you want to claim that she’s a “war hawk” and that’s not motherly, that’s fine, but it’s also irrelevant. It’s part of the job of running a country. Nobody claims that presidents have been “bad fathers” by sending soldiers to war.

  16. Ezzy666 says:

    Did she raise you?

  17. Dolan55 says:

    Yes: taking protest votes that don’t go anywhere, so he’s ignored.
    Creating a movement is hard work.

  18. Kat Hay says:

    It seems to me that a lot of people on this thread do not understand or misunderstand what Jill Stein meant by her tweet. She’s talking about the absence of maternal values in Hillary’s politics, a valid criticism, in my view, even if you only consider her very hawkish foreign policy record and positions. She is not judging her performance as a mother. People are very anxious to take offense.

  19. United Forces says:

    You’re so down in it that you don’t realize that half of the Dems (see the 89 who voted to gut SNAP) are Republicans in Dem clothing. Vision Works called, your glasses are needing adjusting.

  20. Rainbird says:

    46 Million in Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo and Bank of America checks to be cashed. Promises given, debts to be paid back later. Yes, I am fully aware Clinton has raised money.

  21. Rainbird says:

    You really have been paying no attention to what Bernie has been doing for his whole life.

  22. jalp says:

    That tweet was part one of a series — and part of her full statement, seen here:

    http://www.jill2016.com/_a_women_president_mother_s_day

    Why America Needs a Woman President this Mother’s Day
    Posted by Jill Stein on May 08, 2016

    As families around the country celebrate the women in their lives this Sunday with gifts and dinners, I am reminded of the origins of Mother’s Day and how much we need that sentiment today. Women organized for peace, spoke out against war and grieved for every son that had been killed. Mother’s Work Day and Friendship Clubs took action by fighting poverty and unsanitary living conditions for poor women and children.

    I do agree with Hillary Clinton that it is time that America elects a woman for President. But I want that President to reflect the values that are part of being a mom. Taking care of others and being compassionate, starting with our children. We need to make child care a universal right. We need to end hunger and poverty for all, but especially for children. We need to increase federal support for our school systems.

    A mother is also a healer. That starts with joining the rest of the industrial world and providing health care to everyone, through a single payer improved Medicare for All program. It means solving international disputes through negotiations and a commitment to international law and human rights, not being the biggest bully in the sandbox.

    As a mother and a physician, I am outraged that this presidential election has been reduced to a battle of the sexes. Donald Trump makes demeaning comments about female opponents, members of the press and women as a whole by his sexist rantings and ill-conceived statements on abortion and immigration.

    His tirades have prompted Hillary Clinton to literally cash in on promoting a “Woman Card” to show that she stands for women’s rights, a gimmick that has brought over 2 million dollars into her already overstuffed war chest last month. What Hillary Clinton stands on is the Clinton legacy of demonizing poor women by repealing the main New Deal program for poor children, Aid to Dependent Children (ADC) and sending hundreds of thousands to “work” with inadequate child care or household support while they did meaningless tasks that offered no chance to lift them outof poverty through real job training.

    The best welfare reform program would be full employment, with government as the employer of last resort, with a strong safety net with dignity for those unable to work or working by taking care of others.

    What do my two major political rivals for the Presidency offer on this Mother’s Day 2016 to the over 18 million women living in poverty today, along with over 15 million of their children? Neither Clinton nor Trump are talking about a national initiative to eliminate poverty and hunger in the richest country in the world. In fact, their positions on war, climate and health care will contribute to the loss of life in our most vulnerable communities.

    Clinton may be ticking off a list of female-friendly promises, like equal pay for equal work and reproductive rights, but we need to follow the money and how that influences what she takes action on. Bankrolled by Wall St. and Clinton Foundation money from countries who trample on women’s rights means the pressure of donations can take precedence over principles.

    A Green New Deal that will both create millions of good paying jobs and stop climate change in its tracks by moving to 100% clean, renewable energy by 2030. This is a comprehensive initiative that will improve the lives of women and children. It would ensure that everyone has access to clean water and air, affordable housing and other essential services.

    Clinton and Trump are both playing the “Woman Card” but the women and children living in poverty are the losers either way. It is not about electing a woman to the White House for the first time but electing the woman who will take the lead in the political revolution to put people, planet and peace over profit.

    Dr. Jill Stein is the presumptive Presidential nominee of the Green Party. While practicing medicine and raising her children, Dr. Stein helped to lead initiatives to fight environmental racism and injustice and to promote healthy communities. She is co-author of two widely praised reports, In Harm’s Way: Toxic Threats to Child Development (2000) and Environmental Threats to Healthy Aging (2009).

  23. jalp says:

    They certainly could be. I would guess that more attention is being paid to motherly values because we haven’t had a mother as President before, and we have had quite a lot of fathers.

    (I put this in a reply before, but my post didn’t take for some reason. On this second try, I’ll add that we Greens have had a woman on the ticket every time since we became a national party in 2000 — and in 1996 if you count the loose coalition of state parties that nominated Ralph Nader and Winona LaDuke or helped them become official write-ins. If Jill Stein wins the Presidential nomination again this year, that will be our third time in a row with a woman at the top of the ticket — and depending on who is nominated as VP, possibly our third in a row with two women on it. Oh, yes, and BTW . . . feminism is one of the Ten Key Values of the Green Party of the United States.)

  24. Dolan55 says:

    Instead of “lowering himself” to run for President now, he could have started a movement or party when he was first elected to office: he’s been a politician for 30 years, you think 30 years is time enough?

  25. emjayay says:

    Me too.

  26. Rainbird says:

    Let me give you an example of reporting on Bernie. It was Saturday March 5th and the headlines on CNN read: “Clinton wins Louisana!” with a sub head of “Huge win for Clinton!” And, if you scrolled down and looked really hard you could see buried in the corner “Bernie Sanders wins in Maine” You actually had to click on that link and read into the second paragraph that Bernie had also won in Kansas and Nebraska. –Winner in three states, small news. Winner in one state and your name is Clinton, huge news!

  27. Rainbird says:

    If you look though, most of the comments (corrections) are not on Jon Green’s posts but on blatantly partisan posts by Hillary supporter John Aravosis.

  28. Rainbird says:

    It would be just shy of impossible to get a third party candidate elected in this country. Look at Bernie, he had to lower himself to joining the democrats to have a shot. Had he not done that, no debates, no automatically being put on the ballot, no media coverage. The deck is stacked for two parties in this country.

  29. Moderator4 says:

    You are certainly welcome to go back over the last three months of threads (keep clicking on “Older Entries” at the bottom of each page) to try and figure this out for yourself.
    It’s way beyond our pay scale to do this for you, especially considering that we are not paid (we are volunteers), and have actual lives, jobs, and families outside of AmericaBlog.

  30. UCF_Engineer says:

    Last time I checked, Hillary nor anyone from her campaign posted any tweets with regards to Jill Stein’s comment. So who are you kidding?

    By your definition, Bernie is responsible for the raucous supporters that yell and curse at kids and rip signs out of their hands at Hillary rallies. Well he didn’t condone it or tell his supporters to stop harassing people outside of Hillary rallies so I suppose he is a little responsible right?

  31. 2karmanot says:

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm She’s Baaaack !

  32. jalp says:

    They certainly could be. I would guess there’s more attention to mothering values because we haven’t had a mother as President yet, and we’ve had a fair lot of fathers.

  33. Dolan55 says:

    You can protest as much as you want: Hillary’s policies, her ideas, anything.
    But lining up to scream insults at Hillary supporters as they exit a rally, is just hate.

  34. SurroundedByTheBlind says:

    Do you not think that protests constitute free speech?

    Good to know – the rabid HRC supporters give not one whit for the First Amendment (unless it’s benefiting them, of course). I especially like the part where you criticize people for exercising free speech and then turn around and accuse them of fascism. It’s cute, in a double-speak Republican kind of way. Unsurprising, considering your candidate is Establishment Republican Lite.

  35. SurroundedByTheBlind says:

    Hillary has everything to do with this; who are you kidding (other than yourself)?

  36. SurroundedByTheBlind says:

    “Bernie has raised precisely $0 for down ticket races — Clinton has raised $46 million for Democratic Congressional races.”

    Meanwhile, anyone who’s received Sanders’ campaign emails knows you’re full of garbage. He’s supporting downticket Democrats – he’s just not supporting the downticket Democrats y’all WANT him to support. He’s advocating on behalf of the Progressives that actually care about the issues, not having their pockets lined by lobbyists.

  37. SurroundedByTheBlind says:

    Not really. There hasn’t been a Green Party candidate that actually contributed in any substantial way to a Democrat’s loss.

    Yes, I’m including the Nader/Gore/Bush situation in that statement. Nader didn’t acquire enough votes to hurt Gore’s campaign nearly as much as Gore damaged himself. Gore was an excellent candidate and would have likely been one of our better presidents had he been elected, but he took a lot of things for granted, lacked warmth and relatability, made serious mistakes during his campaign, and came across as a little arrogant. He wound up alienating a lot of working class voters as a result, who instead turned to the guy who they thought they could have a beer with – Bush, not Nader. The numbers back that up. So if you can point to any OTHER time in the last 20 years where a member of the Green Party somehow managed to prevent a Democratic president from being elected, I’m sure we’d all love to hear it. If not, perhaps you should review your history.

  38. SurroundedByTheBlind says:

    Look at you, missing the forest for the trees. You think the Green Party is the only other party out there that doesn’t have an (R) or (D) next to its members names?

    Do you really not see the problem with having our national policies decided almost unilaterally by two parties? Do you not recognize that it’s an enormous factor in the continued divisiveness and polarization we’re seeing in politics? Are you so oblivious to the pervasive corruption within both parties that continues unabated because they have no real competition except for each other? Do you believe that the diverse political views of all Americans can actually be crammed into two buckets?

    Lord, and they say Sanders’ followers are naive.

  39. emjayay says:

    Well, ten or twenty times the usual number. I’m curious though, where is AB linked at on these occasions, or what is going on?

  40. judybrowni says:

    You could use an English to English translator, apparently.

  41. judybrowni says:

    Not even Bernie believes he’ll be the nominee: Sanders just laid off the hundreds of staffers he’d need to run in the general election.

    Also: to have any hope in hell of passing any of his agenda, Bernie would need to help elect a Democratic or Socialist Congress.

    Bernie has raised precisely $0 for down ticket races — Clinton has raised $46 million for Congressional races.

    Some of Bernie’s biggest lies are to his own followers: at this point, he’s just using them as an ATM, for a candidacy even he doesn’t believe in.

  42. judybrowni says:

    THE GREEN PARTY: ELECTING REPUBLICANS FOR TWO DECADES!

    But never able to elect Green Party candidates, for some reason.

    Hmmmmm.

  43. Moderator3 says:

    I wish it were a record.

  44. Moderator4 says:

    It’s not a record. We’ve had 991 comments in one thread in recent months, several over 400, and a couple over 700.

  45. emjayay says:

    Wow, a record 348 comments, about ten or twenty times the average for AB. I guess I was right and this was indeed linked to berrniesandersistotallyawesomeandhillaryclintonisacorporatestoogeandjohnaravavoisisatraitortotherighteouscaseandjillsteinisagreensaintandeverythingshesaysistootrue.com

  46. slavdude says:

    Rubio is out as VP. He said he would refuse the nomination.

  47. Ezzy666 says:

    Why aren’t male candidates expected to reflect the values of being a father?

  48. jalp says:

    If you’ll pardon me showing my age by paraphrasing Paul Harvey, hold your judgment until you read . . . the rest of the story:

    http://www.jill2016.com/_a_women_president_mother_s_day

  49. kladinvt says:

    I see Aravosis is keeping up his paid shilling for Hillary.

  50. iggyauggietavi says:

    I trust Jill Stein over Hillary Clinton. She’s a bad mother.

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  53. Rainbird says:

    If Trump were to pick up roughly a third of Kasich’s votes he would have beat Hillary’s vote total in the primary. Hillary had one 73 year old jewish competitor to split votes with. Trump had a dozen. Trump will pick up the majority of Cruz voters and most of Kasich’s. If he pulls in Rubio as a VP he will get a bunch more. Hillary won’t get the Sanders voters. Either they will be like me who will write him in, or the majority of them will just stay home. Disgusted with the fixed aspect of this election. I think she will have a pretty tough time of it. It isn’t going to be any kind of a blow out with Hillary as the candidate.

  54. Rainbird says:

    And Bernie wins again!

  55. 2karmanot says:

    Thank you Tracey Chastity Pariah https://youtu.be/a_Cy6cN6W4E

  56. 2karmanot says:

    I just love it when you go off the rails Phil.Try being your usual erudite self and give us a good run down of Hillary and why she’s the one. Seriously, John doesn’t seem capable at the moment and these irritating hillay troll-gnats are contributing nothing.

  57. 2karmanot says:

    Times have changed. John now lives in the basement and eats Cheetos all day. /s

  58. 2karmanot says:

    You are referring to Jill Stein aren’t you?

  59. 2karmanot says:

    Qualified? Seriously emjayay? That moron thinks the pyramids were cone-head tombs /s

  60. 2karmanot says:

    Ah, the mewling burbbles of a contented mansplaining bourgeois.

  61. 2karmanot says:

    Sweet Pea you need braces on that feeble mind of yours.

  62. 2karmanot says:

    NEXT! Hey lady move along. You’re polluting the air…..Next in line!

  63. 2karmanot says:

    Seriously honey, put down the white wine and watch the soaps because your contributions here seldom rise above number two.

  64. 2karmanot says:

    Did you say Blow Hard? where? when? Now?

  65. 2karmanot says:

    When Muppet’s go bad……

  66. 2karmanot says:

    Yawn….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  67. 2karmanot says:

    Well,there’s always Armageddon, the Rapture and all, but I choose to be positive and have applied for salvage rights,

  68. 2karmanot says:

    I know, many of us have been regulars here for years and now are considered trolls and bots because we think the Hillary Durga is a poor choice for traditional democracy.

  69. doug dash says:

    If you where standing in front of me, I would bet you any amount of money that you want to, shake your hand, and be very comfortable knowing that Clinton would easily win. Based on the black turnout for Clinton in the Southern States which was good; Hispanics, I hear are very energized, as are Asians, Muslims, Gays, and women; this election will be a blow-out like you have never seen before. Trump has white men which are a falling percentage of voters. It looks like Trump has also lost the Evengelicals and even some conservative republicans.

  70. TheAngryFag says:

    Even some of her attacks on Bernie were lies:

    1) Repeal of Glass-Steagle – She accused him of voting for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. This act finalized the repeal of Glass-Steagle which was one of the firewalls erected after the Great Depression to prevent exactly what happened in 2007/2008 as it removed the ability of the SEC and Commodity Futures Trading Commission able to regular derivatives. The truth is this bill was slammed through Congress as a deal between then Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX) and Bill Clinton’s Treasury Department (which was loaded with Sachs employees). It was 262 pages tucked into an 11,000 page omnibus bill, the Consolidated Appropriations Act for FY 2001, that was must-pass in order to keep the government running after the election in 2000 during a lame-duck session. Everyone in the whole of Congress, with the exception of then Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) and two other people, voted to pass it. One of the authors of that bill was Gary Gensler who was Bill Clinton’s Undersecretary of Treasury. Obama appointed him as the head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, a nomination that Bernie Sanders put a hold on directly because of Gensler’s involvement with the CFMA. Where is Gary Gensler now? Why he’s a member of the Clinton campaign; her CFO if I remember right. So she attacks Bernie for a blackmailed vote to keep the government running because of a rider, yet the author of said rider is a member of her campaign staff.

    2) “Bernie voted against the Auto Industry Bailout” – No, he voted against giving Clinton’s bank-rollers more taxpayer money to pay for their gambling. Bernie supported a clean bill to bail out the auto industry. That bill passed the house, was introduced in the senate and then, according to the Congressional Record Service, nothing else happened. George W Bush was going to use some of his authority to divert some of the funds from the act that released the rest of the bank bailout to the auto industry when the aforementioned clean bill failed. But the VAST majority of it went to Clinton’s donors.

    3) “Bernie was nowhere to be found when I was fighting for healthcare in the 90s” – He literally was standing right behind her. She even sent him a thank you note.

    4) Her e-mail server has several: “My predecessors did it” – First it was only Colin Powell and second, he had a private ACCOUNT, not a private SERVER. There is a difference. And then “I only used it to send e-mails to my husband and daughter” – To which Bill Clinton replied “I have only ever gotten two emails from her”. And then there is the little memo sent out to State Department Staff under her name that stated: “Avoid conducting official Department business from your personal email accounts.”

  71. Rainbird says:

    Uh huh. Good luck with that.

    Black voters turned out in mass to support Obama. Do you really think they are going to do the same for the white lady? Mexican voters are not happy with Trump for his comments but are they really going to turn out as an anti-Trump protest vote? I don’t think you can depend on either of those. Bernie or Bust voters will be filling arenas just the way they do now only after the convention this will actually be CNN worthy news. This will siphon off voters. In most states Hillary’s unfavorable rating runs neck and neck or is higher than Trump’s.

    Basically, if Hillary wins the nomination putting a democrat in the White House is a long shot.

    *Maybe* if she chooses Elizabeth Warren as a running mate she will balance out some of her favorability ratings, but Warren is so much more effective where she is at democrats would be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

  72. doug dash says:

    I think Clinton will win in a landslide. Sanders would be the safer bet. If Trump is the nominee and that is not set in stone Clinton will give is ignorant white ass a thumping.

  73. TheAngryFag says:

    Here’s 13 minutes of her lying… Enjoy…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

  74. Rainbird says:

    So the democratic party can’t achieve great things any more?

  75. Rainbird says:

    Clinton leads Trump by a single percentage point in Florida (43% to 42%) and Pennsylvania (also 43% to 42%) and is behind by four points in Ohio (43% to 39%). No, she won’t beat Trump. Few things will unite republicans like a Clinton running for election. Hillary won’t have the bulk of the independent voters and this will cost the democratic party the white house.

  76. TheAngryFag says:

    Because they don’t like Trump and they don’t trust Hillary.

  77. ParadeOfFools says:

    Such a disappointment. :(

  78. ParadeOfFools says:

    How is that relevant? I called him a hypocrite, which he is.
    What does it have to do with Bernie? Typical, just deflect what you can’t answer.

  79. doug dash says:

    Like everything in life it’s a judgement call. Can Clinton beat Trump if he becomes the nominee. If he is not the nominee can Clinton beat the person who is the nominee? We know Sanders would be a stronger candidate.
    John’s judgement was wrong on the Iraq war; is his judgement right on Clinton?
    I mean who the fuck could misjudge invading another country on such slim reasoning?

  80. I think that Stein was suggesting that Clinton’s bellicose policies are incompatible with motherhood.
    This is wrong, and has been since Greek mothers told their children to, “Come back with your shield or on your shield,” but she did not call Clinton a bad mother, she called Clinton a war monger, which is true.

  81. UCF_Engineer says:

    If you’re with the Green party then you understand what I mean when I say this planet will be dead in one to two hundred years, lol.

    It is unfortunate that we don’t have a different political/election system in this country. I would love to see the Australian style of voting with it based on a preference, not a black and white choice. I assume the founding fathers thought that the ruling class of Senators and Congressman wouldn’t sit in congress for 30-40 years at a time and do nothing to evolve the system and make it better.

  82. heimaey says:

    This is just spin journalism and we used to think John and this blog were above that. Stein has no chance in the GE so why even harp on her? Well because John is getting a lot of heat from liberals who disagree with him on twitter so he’s throwing a hissy fit. Go on twitter – no seriously go on – and just even challenge his authority by asking a simple follow up question to him and you’ll get blocked. This is making him not only less credible but he’s becoming a laughing stock.

  83. heimaey says:

    That’s a YP not an MP.

  84. emjayay says:

    I do.

  85. emjayay says:

    A two party choice has been the norm in the US from the beginning, before Democrats and Republicans existed. The founders didn’t really mean it, but the structure they defined tends to go that way.

    Look at structure, not demons.

  86. emjayay says:

    Because they can’t tell the difference between HRC and Trump? Because they think their policies and decision making and knowledge and experience are remotely similar?

  87. heimaey says:

    Maybe you just haven’t evolved? I don’t know, but there’s a shift somewhere here between the liberal camp and people are pointing fingers at everyone telling everyone they’re wrong. I’m siding more with the people who want change and don’t think everything is honky dory.

  88. Murcury says:

    Now, who sounds like a conservative? Same ol saw of the right wing.

  89. Murcury says:

    It’s all good until it isn’t-hope it doesn’t fall out from under you ;)

  90. emjayay says:

    Please list all the evidence of Hillary Clinton being a pathological liar.

  91. Murcury says:

    Is this following her support for the Draconian ‘predator’ bill?

  92. emjayay says:

    I believe that Dr Stabby has a medical degree, plus is a qualified brain surgeon.

    Just sayin’.

  93. emjayay says:

    Or not vote, because voting is all about them and not about the country, or something.

  94. heimaey says:

    Trillburne got that chronology spot on. Again, it’s really sad what’s happened to John.

  95. emjayay says:

    Not that I’ve noticed. I haven’t gone through the change or anything myself.

  96. emjayay says:

    No. Just obnoxious purists I think.

  97. Phil in FLL says:

    The fake leftist “don’t vote” trolls come here because they would be numerically overwhelmed on most other progressive blogs.

  98. emjayay says:

    No, Trump’s shits are not interesting. This reporting is. Not huge, but interesting.

    If anyone is not interested they are not required to pay attention.

  99. 2karmanot says:

    She’s baaaaaaakk……………………….

  100. emjayay says:

    I guess I’m curious about how all these commenters suddenly found AB. I guess maybe anything John writes gets linked on berniesandersforever.com or greenpartyrules.org, or both. Maybe he should assume a pen name to prevent this sort of thing that is suddenly destroying one of the things that was so good about AB.

    By the way, I totally support the Green party, such as it is in this country, or at least their basic principles. If I lived in a country like Germany with a parliamentary system where minor parties have some power I might be a registered Green. But I don’t. And this does not mean that the leader of the Green party is not able to make a comment that is unfounded and in fact the opposite of reality, like she did in this case.

  101. Phil in FLL says:

    Same meme, over and over. : Who paid you to disagree with me? Try to think of something else.

  102. 2karmanot says:

    I know. What happened to ‘our’ John?

  103. heimaey says:

    I think it’s you and John who have changed, not the other people.

  104. 2karmanot says:

    The Quality of Facts is the problem. If the internet implied that Der Dtrumpfenfurer dropped a two flusher in his morning toilet, is that reporting? They don’t call it yellow journalism for nothing Sweet Pea.

  105. emjayay says:

    Headline above:

    Internet excoriates Green Party’s Jill Stein for calling Hillary bad mom

    Is this true? Yes, it is. Is this a blindly pro-Clinton piece, or reporting? It’s reporting.

    So what’s the problem?

  106. emjayay says:

    Sorry, but no one blocked independent voters. Many states reserve choosing the nominee of a party to actual members of that party. I understood this when I registered for voting long ago, and that’s why I registered as a Democrat, although I had major issues with some Democratic Party positions at that time. This is what anyone who has a minimal knowledge of how their state government operates would do.

    Voting is a private affair, except in the few caucus states where primary voting is done in a fashion similar to how all voting worked in the US until the late 19th century. You don’t get the party you registered in tattooed on your forehead. And when you vote you are not asserting your identity either. In our non-parliamentary system you are making the best choice for the people of the country. Voting is about them, not you.

  107. doug dash says:

    MONDAY, MAY 9, 2016 05:55 PM EDT

    After noted Hillary supporter “forgets” his Iraq position, Twitter comedian creates the best timeline of pundits’ reactions to the war

    When pro-Clinton pundit John Aravosis said he forgot his Iraq War stance, Trillburne wrote a brilliant chronology

  108. UCF_Engineer says:

    He’s just a troll. Best not to feed them.

  109. UCF_Engineer says:

    So she’s the cause of the Iraq war because of one vote for a war we were all lied to about when she was the senator of a place that wanted revenge after witnessing the worst terrorist attack in history? I can hardly blame her. And to think Obama continued the wars is ridiculous. You obviously have no idea how the world or the military works. You don’t just pull thousands of troops and huge military presence out of a war zone in a day or even months. Libya and Syria are very complex situations with no clear right answer, just a bunch of bad ones really. Go read Clinton’s book “Hard Choices” and educate yourself before you come on here sounding like idiot.

  110. tracey marie says:

    he has done nothing but whine and yell. He has accomplished nothing. He is establishment who managed to push 4 amendments per year and never wrote a bill that was coherent or correct

  111. UCF_Engineer says:

    Hillary has nothing to do with this lol.

  112. UCF_Engineer says:

    Your talking points sound like they came right out of Fox News. The country is actually in pretty good shape. Of course there are people suffering, there always will be. But this country is not on the frickin brink of destruction for god’s sake.

  113. tracey marie says:

    Ignorance and anger over a perceived slight. bernie manages to inflame the young with lies, innuendo and promises of free everything. Their childish bern or bust or trump will make them fail as a whole. Then they will self fullfill their “life is hard and unfair” meme.

  114. davvid says:

    We’re all listening to her very carefully. Its not as though she doesn’t have a platform to speak her mind and connect with voters like me. I’ve listed to countless interviews. I follow her on twitter. She was also my Senator. Her views, strategies, and tendencies are not a mystery.

  115. Rainbird says:

    No, I would actually disagree with you. I have less of a problem with Clinton and more of a problem with the news media who doesn’t cover Bernie, and whitewashes everything Clinton. In a fair fight, Sanders would win the election going away. But it hasn’t been a fair fight has it? Blocking independent voters, reporting super delegates as if they have already voted, Clinton wins on page one, Sanders wins buried in the copy. The public is being spoon fed what the news media and corporate/banking systems want.

  116. UCF_Engineer says:

    So you think 12.5 million people that have voted for and supported her thus far are paid? This is so typical of the propaganda message that was put out by Bernie and is exactly when I stopped supporting him. Doing nuanced attacks through insinuation is weak and unworthy of anyone seeking the highest office in the land. Things were actually very civil on the Democratic side before he started doing that. I’m glad he’s lost. He’ll make a good Secretary of the Treasury for Clinton though.

  117. UCF_Engineer says:

    Yeah this is what I honestly don’t understand. True there is still a huge income gap in this country, but the country is doing markedly better now than it was 8 years ago. Now the super left seems to be talking like the right wing nut jobs in some sort of alternate universe like the world is crumbling down around us. My situation and a ton of others I know have improved since 2008 and Hillary most likely will be a continuation of that, yet you hear people say they would rather vote for Trump. It honestly makes my brain hurt.

  118. Rainbird says:

    By obnoxious purists I assume you are talking about the people who believe the democratic party could still be achieving great things.

  119. UCF_Engineer says:

    Go read her book Hard Choices, where she talks about things like this and you’ll change your tune real quick. People like to form opinions of people based off of the opinions they hear from other people. The best place to get an opinion from someone is straight from the horse’s mouth as they say.

  120. Rainbird says:

    I think he has good reason to be angry. He has been working for the same causes for years. Just like his supporters, he sees corporate politicians like Hillary flagrantly on the take. He watches the news media bias push a couple of candidates and ignore others. The middle class keeps shrinking and everyone is just one health issue away from bankruptcy. These are all solvable problems, but people like you keep pushing the status quo of Republican Lite.

  121. UCF_Engineer says:

    LOL! I know I’ve heard this line somewhere. Was it “Always Sunny in Philadelphia”?

  122. UCF_Engineer says:

    They’re coming from the Sanders and Trump camps because they have a stick up their asses about Clinton. Doesn’t matter who wins though, the planet will be dead in the next 100-200 years anyway.

  123. tracey marie says:

    bernie is a touch senile, he is an angry senile old man.

  124. kladinvt says:

    Do you ever have anything not biased to say about Hillary or is she paying you to only say “sunny things” about her?

  125. Rainbird says:

    No, of course the voters were not paid off. But, with the help of big media and weak minds with maybe a touch of senility (given Hillary’s demographic) there was an effective job of brain/white washing. Anything from under reporting to counting and reporting votes that hadn’t happened yet (super delegates) the public has from the beginning told Bernie couldn’t win.

  126. lena mcfarland says:

    By the way it also scares me that the New York Times has made up a narrative in which Donald trump is more dovish than Hillary.

    Frustrating!!!! He wants to use nukes if we need to. To treat the U.S. military like it’s mafia protection.

    That’s not dovish. And Hillary Clinton at the state department did not ever push military intervention as a first solution. Trump, on the other hand, is a bully narcissist who would start a war over an insult with a TV reporter.

  127. lena mcfarland says:

    That’s fair. I want peace too. That’s why I’m voting for her.

    I read her book Hard Choices. I don’t see her choosing military over diplomatic solutions in it. The New York Times which pushed the false intelligence leading to the Iraq war calls her a hawk…the New York Times is biased against her, despite their endorsement. They’re apparently Trump people.

    She was the first Secretary of State to visit ASEAN, a network of southeast Asian nations and the president of Indonesia approached her telling her that Than Shwe, the military leader of Myanmar, might be thawing toward change. She seized the day, pressured that government to release Aung San Sui Kyu, and when they did, opened a relationship with them. Her diplomacy in Cuba, Iran, Myanmar directly improved relationships in those nations.

    I think the best chance of avoiding war is a relationship. She’s the only person running with relationships with leaders all over the world. The fact that the Indonesian president approached her implies that she does have gravitas and a humanitarian approach in her diplomacy.

    Is she perfect? No. But she is not a hawk. Bernie sanders’ passivity on knowledge or interest in governments of other nations worries me as it means other people would probably be doing a lot of his foreign policy. I don’t see that as safe. When asked by the New York daily news what he would do with captured ISIS fighters for example, keeping them in Guantanamo or elsewhere, he said he hadn’t thought much about it.

    This came across to me as entitled. He thinks a single vote against the Iraq war entitles him to earn our trust in his judgement. Even while he is running against a Secretary of State it doesn’t occur to him to think these things through before hand? Not a gotcha question.

    The double standard is frustrating. It’s clear to me that a woman who is ever willing use military force is hawkish to some. While a single vote against the Iraq war entitles Bernie sanders to be considered a dove, although he supports drone strikes and supported other military interventions in the Middle East.

    I think the best way to prevent war is through relationships. Hillary Clinton has the best relationships with world leaders and to me this is the best war prevention there is.

  128. Jen says:

    Your comments are something I rarely see. You attribute some of your success to being fortunate to begin with. A one percenter who supports Sanders ? Awesome.

  129. Jen says:

    Yes it all boils down to a Twitter. Are you serious?

  130. Jen says:

    Thank you. This is helpful. Context is important.

  131. Jen says:

    Now you’re calling Chelsea names. Why exactly? How is she a clone of Hilary?

  132. Jen says:

    Chelsea loves her mom. Your groundless opinion makes you look like a mindless hater.

  133. Jen says:

    Wow. How on earth do you come to that conclusion? Do you know her so well that you’ve observed her being a horrible mother? Could you link us to your evidence or maybe just share your personal observations when you and Hilary hung out together with your kids at the park or when Chelsea misbehaved and Hilary handled it terribly?

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  136. judybrowni says:

    Apparently, you need an English translator.

  137. Ol' Hippy says:

    No, I just don’t care for her hawkish foreign policy, which is of a neocon bent: see the Brooking’s Inst.,they are an interventionist think tank that shapes much of the US govts. aggressive actions. I always advocate a peaceful diplomatic solution instead of aggression. That’s all I meant.

  138. iggyauggietavi says:

    Safe space!!!

  139. iggyauggietavi says:

    No, she’s a horrible mother

  140. lena mcfarland says:

    She voted with Bernie 93 percent of the time when she was in the senate. What is your criteria of a real democrat? Are you planning to write off more than half of the party as not being pure enough for you?

    Building a coalition means working with a group of people with different points of view. Bernie hasn’t built coalitions during his time in congress. Are we talking about a tea party of the left?

    To answer your question though…Hillary is a real democrat who is to the left of most of the Democratic Party. Statistically speaking. If you want to build a new party with Hillary as the cut off, taking only people to HER left…go ahead.

    But it will not be the Democratic Party. She was rated to Obama’s left in the debate, and to the left of bill Clinton. Not that she can ever satisfy critics.

  141. Blogvader says:

    A completely legitimate critique, and we need more of them.

  142. Blogvader says:

    Yep, that was bad. Ill-timed and ill-conceived, and unfortunately she provided a convenient distraction from the many legitimate critiques of Hillary’s politics: Like how she doesn’t support a living wage, and does support a parasitic health insurance industry that is price gouging all Americans.

    Or her stance on war, a stance that would make George W. Bush proud. Truly, if Hillary is elected there will be many mothers who lose their sons and daughters, and probably for no good reason.

  143. ksimms says:

    Kids, kids, you’re all awful.

  144. ksimms says:

    As usual, The Onion saw this coming.

    http://www.theonion.com/article/poll-finds-many-voters-would-support-equally-unlik-52899

    I think the Democrats are experiencing what the Republicans did with the Tea Baggers. Obnoxious purists who should just start their own party rather than trying to hijack someone elses.

    Then again, I’m an independent voting for Bernie in the primary, and HIllary in the fall. As long as Hillary’s lead over Trump is north of 6% in the polls, I’m not too worried about those who are Bernie or Bust. I just hope they vote in other races, rather than staying at home and not voting at all.

  145. heimaey says:

    LOL Ok. You sound fun!

  146. tracey marie says:

    You have demoted yourselves to those levels.

  147. heimaey says:

    So we’ve been relegated to Bernie Bro and Stein Loser. Well I suppose when you don’t have anything left to say you start calling names…