Jill Stein’s VP choice thinks Bernie Sanders is a capitalist-imperalist

Green party presidential nominee Jill Stein has reportedly picked a vice presidential nominee. And boy does he hate Bernie Sanders.

Stein has reportedly settled on self-proclaimed “human rights activist, organizer and geo-political analyst” Ajamu Baraka.

And Baraka is no fan of Bernie.

Here is what Baraka had to say about Sanders last September. (Trigger warning: Much of what follows is barely comprehensible — Baraka is not a fan of punctuation.)

In their desperate attempt to defend Sanders and paint his critics as dogmatists and purists, the Sanders supporters have not only fallen into the ideological trap of a form of narrow “left” nativism, but also the white supremacist ethical contradiction that reinforces racist cynicism in which some lives are disposable for the greater good of the West.

And as much as the ‘Sandernistas ’ attempt to disarticulate Sanders “progressive” domestic policies from his documented support for empire (even the Obamaite aphorism “The perfect is the enemy of the good” is unashamedly deployed), it should be obvious that his campaign is an ideological prop – albeit from a center/left position – of the logic and interests of the capitalist-imperialist settler state.

The silence of the left on Yemen is not a trivial matter. The fact that so many white leftist supporters of Sanders can politically and psychologically disconnect his domestic program from his foreign policy positions that objectively support U.S. and Western neoliberal hegemony means that not only have they found a way to be comfortable collaborating with imperialism, but that they have also decided that they can support the implicit hierarchy that determines from an imperial perspective that lives in the White West matter more than others.

Yes, that last bit was one sentence.

Oh, and the good news from Baraka — not every Bernie supporter is a racist:

This is not to suggest that everyone who might find a way to support Sanders is a closet racist and supporter of imperialism. I know plenty of folks of all backgrounds who “feel the Bern.” There is, however, an objective logic to their uncritical support that they cannot escape and which I believe represents the ongoing crisis of radicalism in the U.S. and Europe.

Baraka went on to refer to the United States as:

“This corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States.”

He seems nice.

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116 Responses to “Jill Stein’s VP choice thinks Bernie Sanders is a capitalist-imperalist”

  1. shayneo says:

    Although couched in slightly trotty terminology , he has a point

  2. Baal says:

    I would say that person is partially misnformed but we’ll intentioned. Unless you think the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation (for example) or the American Heart Association (another) are nefarious coporatist operations. Oh wait. You are in the Green Party. You probably do.

    State education cuts are a huge issue. Bear in mind that universities have not funded research programs to any substantial extent since the 1920s.

  3. Patrick_Gerard says:

    And if someone has misgivings with academic work funded by private foundations and who thinks that private foundation grants coupled with state education cuts (relative to the average spending per student) has soiled academia? Whole disciplines have been ruined by private grants backing research.

  4. keirmeister says:

    Clinton doesn’t have the hyperbolic record you suggest either. Stop using Right-Wing talking points. It’s interesting that you can list non-specific accusations toward Clinton, but can’t name the “other compensating qualities” Stein has.

    As for what Clinton brings to the table? Do some actual research. Here’s some info to get you started:






    There’s also a good interview where she explains the problems with Wall Street and their behavior. What does she bring? How about in-depth knowledge of domestic policy, equal rights, women’s rights, economic policy, and foreign policy?

  5. Doodlee Pigvirus says:

    sorry, but what is it again Clinton is bringing to the table? i realize Jill hasn’t got a comparable record of corruption, warmongering, deportation, disastrous coups, anti-environmentalism and corporate reach arounds, but she has many other compensating qualities.

  6. Doodlee Pigvirus says:

    so mean to point out true things. lol.

  7. disqusingthis says:

    America may not be ready for true progressivism. Ajamu Baraka is ahead of his time. The truth hurts. We are an ugly, imperialistic, totalitarian, racist nation. We need more leaders like Ajamu Baraka.

    Bernie Sanders deserves credit for starting the political revolution, but we must not let it fizzle out. We have momentum. Sanders said he will continue the drone program and the “kill list.” He may not be as war hungry as Hillary Clinton, but compared to Ajamu Baraka, he looks pretty hawkish.


  8. Dixie Danger says:

    Assange called it too, Stein is getting smeared all over the place!

  9. Dixie Danger says:

    Salon is pretty much trash too. There is really no unbiased site to find information.

  10. Liam Fielding says:

    That’s what you consider the moral majority of the US? The sane ones?

  11. Emellbee says:

    well you’re not gonna get them, thank God there are enough sane people to not let that even be a possibility.

  12. MichaelGWS says:

    Hey – I think we’re all progressives here. We need to understand how to message things so we can actually win some fucking elections and get our ideas into play. Toning down the message and “speaking the language” isn’t selling out your values. It’s smart.

  13. SU - Root says:

    He sounds amazingly like Trump does when he tries to lump an entire group into a negative stereotype then goes on to say, well, not all of them.

  14. Justin Tyme says:

    Do a little actual research..listen to her own words, and you’ll realize the anti-vaccine crap is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to smear her. Same goes for the bees, GMO’s……

  15. leannael says:

    You succeed! XO

  16. leannael says:

    Yeah, cause he knows just as much as Trump does. Which is nothing.

  17. I, Nudnick, says:

    Yes. Im a great deflector. Probably the greatest deflector ever created by G-d himself! And even though I have no idea what I’m deflecting, in your case, I am proud to say that I earned the title ‘G-d’s Greatest Deflector’.

  18. Justin Tyme says:

    You’re still deflecting….that’s okay…People reading this now know where you’re coming from.

  19. I, Nudnick, says:

    Up! Up to your room! Before I lose my Fonzarelli cool and confiscate your baseball cards and trade them in for a large container of lo mein.

  20. Justin Tyme says:

    In my 64 years, I’ve never popped a ‘shroom, I don’t smoke pot and I never really cared for Phish. I do love ‘The Band’ and ‘Jethro Tull’ along with ‘Weather Report’ ..Herbie Mann.. Miles Davis…Mozart..Grieg.. Willie Nelson….but you’re still deflecting. Have a nice day.

  21. I, Nudnick, says:

    You’re talking to yourself. Go up to your room, pop some ‘shrooms, listen to some Phish and think good thoughts. When you wake up mañana and finish your decaf – then we can talk.

  22. emjayay says:

    Yes. i didn’t get what you meant the first time – and I worked in theater for years. Duh. (thinking typeface letters and computer things….?)

  23. Justin Tyme says:

    His acceptance speech contained no…”psuedo-political science professor, English dialect” or “Radical Chic dialogue”. Maybe he will surprise you yet.
    I also never IMPLIED that YOU said he was anti-white. I simply pointed out that he isn’t. You INFERRED something that was not deliberately IMPLIED.

  24. emjayay says:

    What was patently undemocratic about the Democratic primary? Caucuses, requiring people to spend an entire evening on it and declare to everyone who they are for? (yes). Closed primaries, where the state’s party decides that they want the choice of their party’s candidate to be limited to people who are actually declared members of their party? (no).

    Sander’s opinions are of course exactly the opposite.

  25. Justin Tyme says:

    What was my original comment…which you chose to ignore?…”It would probably serve him well to soften his tone a little to avoid offending people who offend easily and concentrate a little more on helping people understand that racism and bigotry are probably the most destructive forces facing humanity, and which compound or exacerbate even the most trivial problems, when they go unremedied.”

  26. Justin Tyme says:

    Except that I’m not defending someone who wants to “bomb the Hell out of ’em, and who claims he knows more about ISIS than the Generals, and who claims that he can defeat ISIS quickly (from May 2015..Greta Van Susterand interview) but he’s not going to tell us today…more than a year ago….and meanwhile…

  27. Justin Tyme says:

    If Baraka can continue with the tone he presented in his acceptance speech, he will be a dramatic improvement over the competition.

  28. Justin Tyme says:

    So..did you bother investigating to discover whether those reports were legitimate, or did you just accept them? Stein is not anti-vaxx. She is NOT anti-science. She is not anti-GMO any more than ..The International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) referred to in one article ridiculing Stein, which also holds a neutral position on GMO’s or Biotech, …”Since the institute maintains a neutral standpoint on the subject, they chose the term “biotech” as being less inflammatory than “genetically modified” or “transgenic.” [25] …WikiPedia..
    And the USDA and ARS have acknowledged that neonicotinoids combined with other factors may play a part in honey-bee population declines, which by the way have improved in the last several years, but which those same agencies say are still
    a concern. Feel free to investigate further.
    Maybe the people deriding Stein have their own agenda. Ask Bernie Sanders about that.

  29. I, Nudnick, says:

    Deflect from what? I think Baraka probably has a great command of the English language. But, he chooses to speak in a Radical Chic dialogue. And I never said he was anti-white. I didn’t even infer it. He is anti Cornel West; he is anti Sanders and he’s especially anti-a lot of his constituents. The anti-white thing is on you. And it doesn’t matter if Turner is more radical than Stein (if you say so), the point is she still has friends across the aisle. This is how things get done. By having friends and coming up with deals.

  30. Justin Tyme says:

    Well, you understand…and I understand. However, I do believe that those tools have been used so effectively, that most people accept them as natural..and don’t bother to really question their own entrenched beliefs (or feelings).
    If nothing else, maybe Baraka and Stein will help wake up enough people to make a difference.

  31. I, Nudnick, says:

    HRC’s agent should have insisted on more pay-day for that Goldman Sachs lecture. How much are they worth? Billions upon billions, right? They can afford a cool half-mil for someone like HRC. She was a private citizen, right? Even Ronald Reagan made a cool million giving speeches in Tokyo after he left office.

  32. Justin Tyme says:

    Nice attempt at trying to deflect. If you listened to Baraka”s acceptance speech, he actually did what I had hoped he would do. I guess in your opinion, he he needs to speak at the 6th grade level as Trump does. If you look at Nina Turner closely, she’s more radical than Stein….Baraka is not anti-white and he is not a bigot. He needs to make that clear for people who have difficulty understanding, I think he can do that. I have no illusions about
    Stein-Baraka winning, but the choice is a lot better than the alternatives, and that does include Libertarian Gary Johnson. I’m not going to vote for Hillary. She is already a disaster.

  33. I, Nudnick, says:

    Then you need to lay out why they’re worth the vote. Convince me, where it seems Stein & Baraka don’t seem to want to.

  34. I, Nudnick, says:

    I pretty much need Barbara Billingsley to translate the both of those pudding heads’ dialect for me.

  35. I, Nudnick, says:

    I try, baby. I try.

  36. heimaey says:

    For 1972 yeah.

  37. leannael says:

    You can tell where the sentence begins and ends?

  38. leannael says:

    LOL! Perfect.

  39. leannael says:

    That sounds exactly like a Trump supporter.

  40. davidgmills1 says:

    My sentiments exactly. That was as dumb a move as Sanders endorsing Clinton.

  41. davidgmills1 says:

    I would rather vote for Mickey Mouse than Hillary or Trump. The Green party is a long way from getting its shit together but at least it is not corrupt to the bone.

  42. davidgmills1 says:

    Vote for Hillary and support the criminal Clinton Foundation? I would rather vote Stein. I am a lawyer. I kind of understand the criminal aspects of society the way you understand drugs and research. The Clinton Foundation is nothing but a racketeering network on a global scale. Pay to play. Rewards for those who play and severe punishment for those who don’t. The Clintons are disgusting examples of people with law degrees. They demean my profession.

  43. davidgmills1 says:

    Screw your vanity. While I am pissed off with Stein’s choice, I will never vote Hillary. Sanders endorsement of Hillary was a horrible mistake. Sanders should have kept his mouth shut. Hillary is the most corrupt Democratic candidate ever. I don’t know how you Hillbots look yourselves in the mirror. No conscience I guess. I will never understand Sanders endorsing such a corrupt individual as Hillary. Corrupt to the bone. I hope she is impeached. She will not be convicted unfortunately, but hopefully she will be neutered.

  44. Roger De Witt Carrillo says:

    Racism and bigotry are just tools of colonialism and now neo-liberal imperialism in the quest for world domination. As for how to soften the truth about what it does is would be difficult. Maybe he could better explain why killing people, who oppose Western domination, with drones is what drives terrorism not the opposite.

  45. Roger De Witt Carrillo says:

    Not incomprehensible for somone who recognizes the dominant paradigm of American exceptionalism as a driving force in neo-liberal imperialism.

  46. Hiranya Sankar Roychowdhury says:

    Nice try John Aravosis. Those remarks are not too off the mark, and those hardly compare to what your Hillary has done to Bernie. We will safely take this duo over the others. Thankyou.

  47. I, Nudnick, says:

    So picking a VP candidate who pretty much despises everyone associated with his party and is very vocal about; speaks in a psuedo-political science professor English dialect, where the common man has to strain to understand him – you think Stein/Baraka will swoon a big chunk of popular & Electoral vote by Cult of Personality? Stein really wasted an opportune moment. At least with Nina Turner, there would have been some fruitful outreach to some on-the-line dems. Stein, IMO, is just looking to live the early 1970s college campus glory days. Does her website sell dashikis?

  48. Cole Shores says:

    Bernie Sanders is an imperialist. One can look no further than his votes to expand the drone program and this is coming from a die hard Sanders’ supporter. Amaju Baraka has dedicated his entire life to human rights having sat on the board for Amnesty International. Having read his blog, his assesment is spot on.

  49. Gut_Punch says:

    A more politically expedient choice could’ve/should’ve been made. Baraka is not the only potential running mate who sees and speaks the truth about our country’s imperial interventionism. That said, the tone he strikes and his sweeping generalizations of people come off as leftist reductionism.

    The manner of his rhetoric isn’t going to fly. I’m a Stein supporter (not necessarily a Green Party supporter) but her chances just went from slim to none.

  50. cleos_mom says:

    Very bad form to pick an understudy who blatantly despises both the character and the script.

  51. Bill_Perdue says:

    She stole the election and if she wins the WH and Democrats fail to win Congress she’ll get watergated out of office. The truth is that she’s so right wing that the more she wins the worse it’ll be Democrats as a whole. lur

    Shes as distrusted and despised as Nixon was and the resignation of her DNC attack dogs won’t help her any more than the end of Halderman and Erlichman helped Nixon.

    Trumps prospects of politically survivihg his first term are just as dim.

    In other good news A new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump by six points, 41% to 35%, with another
    25% picking “other.”

    “The presidential tracking poll reflects a slight change of wording from previous surveys, replacing the ‘Neither/Other’ option given to respondents with just ‘Other.’ An internal review had found the word ‘Neither’ has, at times, siphoned support away from one or the other candidate.” https://politicalwire.com/2016/07/29/clinton-leads-nationally-by-6-points/


  52. Blogvader says:

    we rig our own elections and blame the voters for it

    And you’ll find John on here cheerleading voter restrictions and actively rooting for superdelegates to vote against the will of the people in their particular states, provided it benefits his anointed candidate.

    Yes, we do indeed rig our own elections, and Democrats simply do not want to think they’re corrupt. The evidence says otherwise.

  53. Blogvader says:

    And let us not forget that Hillary effectively opened up Libya to ISIS and wanted boots on the ground in Syria.

    Foreign policy experience is just code for “I did stuff in another country. Who cares if I f***ed it up?”

  54. Blogvader says:

    It’s called party affiliation, and it’s all most people give a sh** about.

  55. Blogvader says:

    Weren’t far from it this time around. Even in a patently undemocratic primary, Hillary only managed a measly 58%, and this was before we learned via the DNC leaks that she was an anointed candidate and the DNC was working against the Sanders campaign.

  56. Blogvader says:

    Nana, yes, it’s fun to watch Democrats and HRC supporters just pretend that it was their brilliant organization and not the Goldman Sachs anonymous big-money interest that made it all possible for them. (And more than a little backroom dealing and sabotage.)

    The next step is for them to tell you both to ‘build your own party’ and to ‘wait til the next election and vote HRC now’, without a hint of irony.

  57. Nana says:

    ““This corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States.” And Jill Stein thinks this will win her votes. ”
    You’re right. She forgot that the average American doesn’t want to believe their shit stinks, but then wonder why an entire region of the world wants to kill us.

    “neither is it a ” corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity.””
    Yes. Yes we are. We bomb innocent muslims, we rig our own elections and blame the voters for it, and we don’t even want to admit how fucking awful we are because we’re that superficial of a society even if that denial hurts our very own people.

    “The US is not quite as perfect as the Democratic convention would have us believe”
    Well, clearly it is in your perspective. Furthermore, the democrats were talking about how voting for Stein or Sanders was a symbol of white privilege, but when a non-democrat talks about white privilege, it’s wrong?!

  58. Nana says:

    “just looking at how they operate they are a FAR more well put together party than the Greens are,”
    Well, yeah. When you’re the corporation’s best friend, they’re going to do you a lot of favors.

    “Basically even by the standards of a country where Third Parties are inheirently weak, the Green Party is just a damn joke.”
    News flash, we’re not voting for a party, WE’RE VOTING FOR THE CANDIDATE. You talk about jokes, but you’re listing BS reasons why the Greens aren’t good.

  59. Justin Tyme says:

    Ajamu Baraka may not be polite about it, and he may be a little difficult for some people to understand, but he is telling the truth. It would probably serve him well to soften his tone a little to avoid offending people who offend easily and concentrate a little more on helping people understand that racism and bigotry are probably the most destructive forces facing humanity, and which compound or exacerbate even the most trivial problems, when they go unremedied.

  60. Dixie Danger says:

    You sir, are correct!

  61. Joshua B says:

    Do you disagree with Baraka? Then you need to pay more attention to foreign policy. Where to begin? We started a war in Iraq and Afghanistan the results of which are disastrous and continue today. We had a no fly zone over Libya and then Benghazi (HRC) happened. The corporations gutted these ‘liberated’ states for their resources and caused even more harm (Blackwater, oil companies). This is the way that the us must operate since our elected officials are bought and paid for by the same corporations who profit from our western hegemonic empire. That’s just the middle East, but look at China, Russia, South America, and Africa for countless more examples of our neocolonialist program. So if you don’t like that, (and you shouldn’t!) Then we need to vote for people who have not been purchased. The green party is just the beginning!

  62. Joshua B says:

    The disdainful tone of the writer does himself a disservice. The reality is that we are engaged in western hegemonic imperialism where western priorities are seen as paramount. The disconnect Baraka refers to is that on the one hand Bernie is all about a moral program of racial, economic, and healthcare justice and equality. But on the other he remains committed to eliminating Isis and ‘stabilizing’ the Middle East. He has been critical of Israel, but only from the standpoint of the standard interpretation which is that Israel must be protected at all costs. So yes, just because the author doesn’t agree with (or understand) Baraka’s analysis is no reason to belittle or be dismissive of it. However, I challenge Baraka that even if he came to power, the green party wouldn’t be able to reverse our imperialist course because the corporations have so much invested there, it’s still worth criticizing though.

  63. Bill_Perdue says:

    Wrong on all counts. Again. Attempts to reform capitalism are unproductive. Even things like higher wages, benefits and social security, won exclusively by workers and unions, and not the kind of anti-union candidates you vote for are under attack by your party and your Republican brothers and sisters.

    The D&R parties are right wing and they pursue racist, pro-war, anti-union agendas. That’s your real world, but the alternate real world of workers, people of color, antiwar activists, etc., is always forced into opposition to your twin parties.

    Socialists and labor leftists began and continue to lead the fight for $15. Democrats opposed it until we made it popular and won elections and referendums to enact it.

    Here’s an expanded version of our program. Workers will find it necessary and can be drawn into mass movements to create a worker’s state and implement it. Democrats and their Republican brothers and sisters will hate it because they’re equally right wing.

    End military spending. Not a penny for war.
    •U.S. out of the Middle East!
    •No to U.S. overt and covert wars, drone wars, oil wars, privatized death squad wars.
    •Self-determination for Puerto Rico. Fight against US imposed austerity in Puerto Rico. Abolish Puerto Rico’s debt to U.S. banks and speculating hedge funds.
    •Self-determination for Palestine and U.S. hands off the Cuban Revolution.
    Save the environment
    Immediate conversion to 100% renewable power: sun, wind, geothermal and micro-hydro! Keep all fossil fuels in the ground!
    •100% tax on all fossil fuel corporations. Zero profits for the polluters.
    Jobs for all at top union wages
    •Shorten the work week by 25 percent with no cut in pay so that everyone can work and enjoy more free time. Modern technology should benefit the 99 percent not the boss class one percent.
    •Create a massive public works program to provide jobs at top union wages through building homes, converting to 100% renewable power, expanding mass public transportation, constructing hospitals, parks, schools, and other social necessities. Priority should be given to projects where they are most needed—especially in Black and Latino communities.
    •Raise all pensions, Social Security benefits, unemployment and disability compensation, welfare, and veteran’s benefits to top union wage scales and protect them with cost-of-living escalator provisions.
    •For $15 and a union now as a first short step on the road to a much higher minimum wage to sustain a quality standard of living.
    Quality health care, education and housing for all as basic rights
    •Close down the profit-gauging “healthcare” insurance companies and establish a single-payer system in rapid transition to a universal and free national system, that is, socialized medicine.
    •Free quality public education at all levels from the cradle to the grave.
    •Establish and expand rent-control to combat the mass-displacement of poor and oppressed communities through gentrification and begin massive government funding to repair, modernize, and build homes – starting where need is greatest.
    End the racist, slave labor for profit prison-industrial complex supported by Hillary Clintons campaign bundlers http://aravosis.wpengine.com/2015/07/private-prison-lobbyists-hillary-clinton.html
    •End the racist school-to-prison pipeline.
    •Prosecute and jail killer cops
    •De-criminalize all drugs. Take the profit out of drug trafficking. Rapidly empty the prisons while immediately organizing quality, humane rehabilitation facilities to rebuild ruined lives.
    •For Black and Latino-organized control of Black and Latino communities.
    Immediate amnesty, legalization and equal rights for all immigrants.
    •End all deportations now!
    •Repeal all anti-immigrant legislation.
    Abolish all racist, sexist and homophobic discriminatory laws and practices
    •Equal pay for equal work.
    •Affirmative action with quotas to remedy past discrimination and prevent future discrimination.
    •To assure economic independence for women, government-financed, free 24-hour child-care centers and maternity leave with full pay. Guarantee the right of every mother to raise a healthy child.
    •End violence against women and the LGBTQI community.
    •Repeal the Hyde Amendment. Free unrestricted abortion on demand. Reproductive justice now. End coercive contraception projects targeting low income women and women in prison. End the criminalization of pregnant women.
    Defend civil liberties – Abolish the “national security” state
    •End all government surveillance. Abolish the National Security Administration and all other secret and repressive government spy agencies.
    •Repeal the Patriot Act and all other anti-democratic legislation.
    •End all restrictions on the right to organize, assemble, and protest.
    •Stop the persecution of all whistle blowers like Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden!
    For a democratically-planned socialist economy where the banks, basic industries and all natural resources are the collective property of working people – the 99 percent – and democratically operated for human betterment not the individual profits of the one percent
    •Tax the rich and their corporations, not working people! End corporate bailouts!
    •Close all tax loopholes for the rich. Nationalize all illegally “offshored” corporate profits.
    •100% tax on all incomes over $300,000. Zero percent tax on all incomes under $50,000.
    Vote Socialist Action for a worker’s government and a fully democratic society of, by and for working people and the oppressed! Abolish capitalism! For socialism!

  64. keirmeister says:

    Christ. Get bent. You obviously have no idea how this works. Yes it takes long, hard work from activists, but it also requires politicians to endorse it (and write bills), and even legal assistance all the way up to common sense judges.

    You are essentially denigrating the efforts of everyone who puts in time, sweat, money, and even blood in order to make government recognize their rights – often against the wishes of the very corporate mentality you believe rules everything. And this includes politicians, congressional aides, idealists who get jobs in Washington, DC to change things. The real world is a tapestry that’s far more complicated than what you are apparently capable of grasping.

    You’re just being an extremist on the other end. But again, if all is so helpless, what are you doing to create the change this country needs? What are your ideas? What are your solutions?

  65. Bill_Perdue says:

    Those few changes were the result of the actions, including mass demonstrations and legal challenges by the LGBTQ communities in opposition to your party which gave us DADT and DOMA and refused to pass ENDA like laws for roughly the 40th year in a row.

  66. keirmeister says:

    And yet, significant social change has happened in the past few years (y’know, gay people can now get married).

    So really the question is, if you subscribe to this notion that it doesn’t matter, what are you doing to change it?

  67. Troy Aldrich says:

    NO…No it’s NOT…

  68. Troy Aldrich says:

    THEY ARE….

  69. Bill_Perdue says:

    There are crimes, not sins, commiited by the rich and thse who govern for them.

    Nihilism consists of ignoring those crimes and voting Democrat or Republican and excusing yourself from the real fight for real change.

    As for your anti-intellectualism, take it up with these folks: “A new scientific study from Princeton researcher Martin Gilens and Northwestern researcher Benjamin I. Page has finally put some science behind the recently popular argument that the United States isn’t a democracy any more. And they’ve found that in fact, America is basically an oligarchy.

    Comparing the preferences of the average American at the 50th percentile of income to what those Americans at the 90th percentile preferred, as well as the opinions of major lobbying or business groups, the researchers found out that the government followed the directives set forth by the latter two much more often. It’s beyond alarming.

    As Gilens and Page write, ‘the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.’ In other words, their statistics say your opinion literally does not matter.” http://mic.com/articles/87719/princeton-concludes-what-kind-of-government-america-really-has-and-it-s-not-a-democracy

    ”The government we have is not a democracy. It’s nowhere close. Instead, a corruption in the very idea of a representative democracy has rendered our nation almost ungovernable. We have entered the age of the “vetocracy,” as political theorist Francis Fukuyama puts it, where very small numbers in America can block almost any sensible change. – Gridlock happens not because Americans want it. Gridlock happens because it pays — for that tiny minority.

  70. keirmeister says:

    To be sure, there are many sins committed by politicians against regular citizens, and it spans both parties.

    However political nihilism is simply a display of fake intelligence, as if to say you are the only smart person among us sheep. It’s pseudo intellectual bullshit, further illustrated by such comments as “It’s delustional to pretend that elections change things – they don’t.” I can think of millions of people who now have access to healthcare who can show otherwise.

    But hell, why subscribe to actual evidence and history when one can be lazy and act as if nothing matters? If you really see no difference between our current political parties, then you’re a lost cause.

  71. Bill_Perdue says:

    Democrats and Republicans are tools of the rich.
    Capitalism can be used interchangeably with corporatism to describe the evils of rule by the rich.
    All the gains made by working people were won by unions and by working people and those gains and unions are now under attack by your party and your Republican brothers and sisters using NAFTA, deregulation, the racist gutting of welfare, etc.
    One ‘real world’ consists of the needs of workers and your ‘real world’ consists of the needs of the rich. It’s delustional to pretend that elections change things – they don’t.

  72. keirmeister says:

    Here’s the problem with the logic of what you wrote: If “Corporate” was as “complete” as you say, then it would EXACTLY describe American politics since, for quite some time now, Republicans and Democrats have been the only ones in power.

    What is the main responsibility of a corporation? What is its governing structure? How does it sustain itself?

    The answer to those questions will reveal why what you’re saying is simply gibberish. If it were otherwise, we would not have 40 hour work days, child labor laws, employment laws, etc.

  73. Bill_Perdue says:

    The left is growing, as is the union left, and as the radicalization deepens we’ll assemble enough strength to end the reign of the banksters and the Democrats and Republicans who govern for them.

    We’ll end up replacing Democrats and the their Republican brothers and sisters.


  74. Bill_Perdue says:

    Democrats = Republicans. That’s true.

  75. Bill_Perdue says:

    Corporate is the word that succinctly and completely identifies the origins of the policies of the Democrats and their Republican brothers and sisters. Democracy is not a word that describes them or American politics.

    That’s proven fact, not an insult.

  76. Bill_Perdue says:

    Bill Clinton, a Dixiecrat, allowed Wall Street banksters to destroy the economy by promoting and signing NAFTA, the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999) that repealed the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 which permitted predatory lenders to issue financial products known as over-the-counter derivatives.

    Clinton championed and signed all three which eliminated millions of union jobs and unleashed predatory lenders, caused the housing boom, which went bust which caused the current Clinton depression and caused mass layoffs and the financial crisis that began in 2007-2008.

    Democrats and their Republican brothers and sisters voted overwhelming for Gramm–Leach–Bliley and Commodity Futures Modernization Act.


    Millions of good union jobs have been lost becasue of the attacks by the Republicans and their Democrat brothers and sisters on unions in the last 40 or so years. http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/23/385843576/50-years-of-shrinking-union-membership-in-one-map

  77. keirmeister says:

    Then you’re not paying attention.

  78. keirmeister says:

    No, but they do need to understand domestic and foreign policy.

    I guess using the tired “corporate” insult makes you feel better. Enjoy that while the rest of us deal with the real world.

  79. Mr. America says:

    Sure a career crook (HRC)who has amassed half a billion dollars selling out the country since her rapist husband was president, by cheating and rigging… or a totally unhinged racist / fascist (DT) scam artist who amassed his fortune by bribing HRC and others is surely more qualified than a Harvard Medical Doctor(Jill Stein). You really couldnt find any dirt on Jill because she is as clean as it gets. I cannot tell a Lie, George Washington, and Honest Abe Lincoln, are spinning at warp speed in their graves, at the 2 major party candidates you think are soooo qualified. By belittling 3rd party candidates and those who support them, you demonstrate your support for corruption, oligarchy, injustice and everythinh that is wrong with the USA. Without proper redress, and continued voter suppression, you will instead create a violent revolution or civil war. Its time to get your boot off the neck of the middle class!

  80. RM Barnes says:

    Gore Vidal was full of shit there. Do you believe exactly what he said? Read it again. I must agree with your Debs quote though.

  81. Susan Forman says:

    No it isn’t. Quit being such self absorbed selfish assholes.

  82. Susan Forman says:

    She is a dumb ass, or playing a dumb ass to trick dumb asses. https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/4n6qha/quantitative_easing_will_get_ride_of_college_debt/

  83. Susan Forman says:

    She is what I call macroeconomic illiterate and her talking points are Palinesque. . https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/4n6qha/quantitative_easing_will_get_ride_of_college_debt/

  84. Susan Forman says:

    They need to know that QE is not a “Magic Trick” and that a POTUS is not boss of the Fed. They need to nor repeat stupid talking points that make no sense, “Wall St destroyed the economy with waste, fraud and abuse”, I am more qualified than Jill, as i would never spout such simple minded uninformed nonsense. she sounds like Palin without the run on sentences. https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/4n6qha/quantitative_easing_will_get_ride_of_college_debt/

  85. Baal says:

    I have my facts perfectly straight. I work in this area. FDA panels that review drugs and vaccines are overwhelmingly dominated by academicians like myself. Full disclosure: For two years, research in my laboratory was supported in part by a contract from a major drug company. Throughout that time, though, most of my research funds came from NIH or from private foundations. In all research publications I am required to disclose that (in contrast to, for example, so-called journalists0, so I will do it here too.

    I know very well how drug companies work and think. If drug companies had their way, more drugs would be approved, make no mistake. And I didn’t say she was anti-vax, my snarky phrase “anti-vax curious” comes from the fact that her statements on the subject have been intentionally vague to pander to the anti-vax movement. She has also made fairly vague statements about homeopathy that in my opinion sink just as low. And her most recent comments about health effects of wifi indicate that she is completely innumerate. In any case, she is irrelevant. Vote for her if you want, make yourself irrelevant also.

  86. What anti-vaccine rhetoric? Is there a youtube video or something she wrote posted on the web? Sources?

    According to snopes, the rumors that she is anti-fax are FALSE. But do keep repeating the lie, I’m sure the DNC is paying you enough to do so.


  87. How is someone “qualified” to be President in your opinion? Do they need to be corporate backed and corporate polished?

  88. She’s not anti-vaccines. She’s against the FDA being controlled by pharmaceutical companies. Get your facts straight.


  89. Baraka’s analysis is spot-on.

  90. astrodreamer says:

    Oh dear. If you find much of Baraka’s remark ‘barely comprehensible’ then you’re just not all that bright yourself. Agree or not, it’s perfectly clear and the last sentence, tho long, is immaculate

  91. heimaey says:

    To be fair, Clinton-Kaine think they’re a liberal ticket.

  92. MiriNY says:

    I prefer Giant Meteor to Hillary

  93. unique_identifier says:

    Meh, sounds about right to me.

  94. Mojo says:

    Seriously I don’t get what the hell is wrong with the Greens. They seem to totally lack any practical political thinking at all, they’ll never be able to expand their base by putting up these kinds of people as their faces.

    I mean I agree with the Libertarians on practically nothing but I can say, just looking at how they operate they are a FAR more well put together party than the Greens are, they’ll never win ether thankfully because well their “DESTROY ALL GOVERNMENT WOOOOOOOOO” Message will never go past like a 5th of the country at most but they at least try to run respectable people who’ve held office before and do try and run in local races.

    Basically even by the standards of a country where Third Parties are inheirently weak, the Green Party is just a damn joke.

  95. So what? Just because someone calls you a chair it doesn’t make you one. Ad hominem, no matter how cloaked in intellectualism it is still just rhetoric. It’s the low road and crammed with traffic. We are sick of it so don’t go there if you want my vote.Instead of summing up another person’s life so readily, try talking about the issues.

  96. Bill_Perdue says:

    Democrat and Dixiecrats are so easily frightened. They will never move left.

    The Greens are moving left but are not yet a socialist party rooted in the working class. I hope they continue to move left and become part of the socialist convergence around building a Labor Party and/or a mass socialist party aimed at creating a workers state and real democracy based on workplace democracy.

    We need an independent, anti capitalist, pro-environmentalist, anti war, anti-racist, anti-misogynist and pro-immigrant Labor Party.

    “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.” Gore Vidal

    For now, on November 8, 2016 vote Socialist or Labor, vote for good referendums and if there aren’t any Left candidates write in Chelsea Manning or join the majority in sitting it out.
    It’s always better not to vote at all than to vote for our enemies, Democrats and Republicans.

    “It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don’t want and get it.” – Eugene V. Debs

  97. Krimbus says:

    He’s right. Sanders Forign policy was not good. Although I credit him for his support of the Palestinians. I think he wouldn’t have made it as far as he did, if he naysayed our foreign policy too much. As sick as that sounds. I held to the belief that he would pull us out after he was elected. I’d like to think that was the case. But I’m not sure. Ron Paul had the best foreign policy.

  98. Amen

  99. BeccaM says:

    I hope the Sanders fans who have been contemplating voting for Stein instead of Clinton are paying attention.

    This kind of thing is why I’ve concluded the Greens and the Libertarians are vanity groups pretending to be political parties, but mostly operating as scams, because it’s clear they really have no intention of winning elections at any level or even influencing the politics or positions of the dominant parties. They’re nothing but arsonists and political vandals.

  100. Baal says:

    They seem to actually really hate America. Not in some abstract insulting way. And Jill Stein is anti-vax curious.

  101. B00Z says:

    Politics is so bullshit

  102. Um…yeah.

  103. Demosthenes says:

    Jill Stein and her nutty VP are unqualified to be elected to anything, much less president.

  104. keirmeister says:

    I never really heard of Jill Stein until Bernie folks started talking about voting for her instead of HRC. A basic look at her credentials, she seems a nice enough lady, but not what I would considered to be qualified to run the country – at least nowhere near what Clinton brings to the table.

    Then I started seeing reports about Stein saying…weird, stupid stuff. And I was like, “is she actually kinda off or something?” Eh, people can make mistakes…I won’t be harsh.

    Now this.

    I dunno…seriously folks, some of y’all are seriously considering voting for these people over Hillary? Really?!?


  105. Hue-Man says:

    Where I’m from, Greens are leftish but most concerned about the environment. This is full-on mount the barricades, товарищ.

  106. Colin says:

    Wow. LOL I wonder if he threw enough out there. They forgot , street corner roughian and Saxon dog.

  107. dommyluc says:

    As the great Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard once said, “I believe that bitch to be trippin’!”

  108. Jimmy says:

    “This corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States.” And Jill Stein thinks this will win her votes. Granted, there are people in this country might agree with this statement, certainly not enough to get you elected. All of which makes me wonder what the purpose of the Green Party truly is other than being a fringe movement. The US is not quite as perfect as the Democratic convention would have us believe, but neither is it a ” corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity.”

  109. Badgerite says:

    Yes. Party building? Only for a party of one.

  110. emjayay says:

    “human rights activists, organizer and geo-political analysis”

    Copy and paste quote, or retyped? Anyway, it should be “activist” and “analyst” obviously.

  111. emjayay says:

    Neither could she. Not for lack of trying, though.

  112. icanhazconservative? says:

    Well, given his running mate could never win an elected office higher than Massachusetts dogcatcher and is generally considered a miserable person, I’m sure that means a lot.

  113. Phil in FLL says:

    Combine that with Jill Stein’s dangerous, unscientific anti-vaccine rhetoric (which parrots Donald Trump) and you have the dream ticket.

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