What if we asked the Electoral College to choose Mike Pence over Donald Trump?

A reader emailed me yesterday with a fascinating suggestion: What if we asked the Electoral College (EC) to select Mike Pence instead of Donald Trump as president?

While I certainly prefer Clinton to Pence, I worry about the repercussions of the EC picking the other party to be president. Trump won. Granted, his election was unfair — FBI Director Comey and Russian intelligence rigged it so that Hillary couldn’t win. But, I still worry about what would happen if the EC chose the Democratic candidate instead of the Republican one.

Now, it’s the EC’s right to choose whomever is best suited for the job. And, admittedly, it would be ironic for Republicans to claim that it’s fair for the EC to pick Trump over Hillary, even though Hillary has nearly 3 million more votes than Trump, but it wouldn’t be fair for the EC college to fulfill the rest of its mission, stopping unworthy candidates from assuming the presidency.

Still, I worry about popular unrest should Trump not be seated. So what about the EC picking Pence instead of Trump? This proposal has the advantage of picking not only someone who was on the ticket, but also someone of the same party as the man who won the electoral vote. It would be harder for the Republicans to complain if the EC chose someone of their own party, someone they like. This would help to create a divide between die-hard Trump supporters, and the rest of the Republican party that never really liked Trump anyway.

I get that Mike Pence is awful. And in some ways, Pence is even worse than Donald Trump. Mike Pence is a religious right extremist. He also has significant Washington experience, which means, unlike Trump, Pence might actually be able to get something done. But Pence has one thing going for him: He’s not crazy. Mike Pence isn’t irrational and he isn’t unpredictable. Mike Pence poses a danger to nearly every issue Democrats care about, but he doesn’t pose a danger to our democracy — at least not in the way Trump does –Pence won’t be handing our country over to a foreign enemy, and he’s much less likely to get us into World War III. And that’s something.

Republican electors unwilling to vote for a Democrat, might just support a slightly more sane Republican.

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36 Responses to “What if we asked the Electoral College to choose Mike Pence over Donald Trump?”

  1. nikto says:

    Scylla bites, and Charybdis sucks, bigtime.

    Not a great choice.

  2. nikto says:

    Nah. Pence could be even worse.

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  9. mf_roe says:

    tRUMPLEthinskin is doomed, not because of the possible actions of the proles but thru the certain response of the people he caters to. The rest of the predator class ISN’T about to give dinky-pinky his fantasy—-it would come out of their cut of the spoils not something they ever do.

    He will be declared President elect, he will destroy everything he can, and he will enrage both opponents and supporters. He has NO PLAN for governing only an agenda of pillage. He will quickly be confronted by the treachery of his fellow pillagers and the rage of those who suffer the destruction his treason will bring.

    What needs to be done is difficult, we must figure out how to work with those who voted for CHEETO out of disgust for the failures of BOTH national parties. We must hammer the fact that tRUMP isn’t change, he is an even worse version of the failures which have plagued this nation since its founding.

    He has sown the Whirlwind, it will destroy him and if we fail to make peace with the foolish people who in desperation flocked to his demagoguery we too will be destroyed.

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  11. devlzadvocate says:

    Trump is wrong and insane. Pence is just wrong.

  12. Filthy says:

    They’ll go after SS, Medicare, and Healthcare.

    Anything that helps folks they’ll destroy, religious mumbo jumbo will run amok with their laws on abortion, Gays, etc etc etc

    This time different we don’t have Obama to block and fight these vultures, they have the presidency and both houses.

    I hope you are happy, non-voters! our healthcare will now be taken away. no more affordable care for our sick, hungry, poor, and veterans. under obama, my health insurance is $85/month, which i can barely afford. my car insurance is just $25/month (from Insurance Panda). Under trump, health care will be $500 a month. i fear the day i get sick or injured.

    We’re in deep doo doo.

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  14. When Homo Sapiens evolved past Neanderthals, I’m sure there was lots of concern about bringing them along, staying mindful of their feelings, etc.

    We are at a similar point. We’re going to have to leave the stupid motherfu¢kers behind if this species is going to survive.

    I’m sure they’ll be very vocal in their opposition. I’m not listening anymore.

    I can’t slow down and risk failure for the smart people in order to take care of these people who sadly are too dumb to take care of themselves.

  15. Demosthenes says:

    I agree. Mike Pence may be awful on policy issues, but he is sane.

  16. Bill_Perdue says:

    Trump isn’t a fascist any more than H Clinton. Both represent parties that reject ENDA when it has a chance of being enacted, but engage in racist wars of aggression and refuse to stop racist violence by cops, but are union busters and both are trying to gut the Bill of Rights.

    Its politics as usual for a non-democratic banana republic.

    It won’t stop a major revolt by working class voters when he defaults on his promises to create tens of millions of high paying jobs. Just as Obama’s bogus promises cost the other right wing party the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014 and the WH in 2016.

    The only ones who can create higher pay are workers themselves organized by the union left and socialists working to unionize millions and raise the minimum wage. Trump will oppose that with all his power and the movement will grow.

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  17. HandsomeMrToad says:

    RE: “What if we asked the Electoral College to choose Mike Pence over Donald Trump?”

    The Electoral College would say “No.”

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    None of it is going to happen. They are going to vote Trump in. But if they were doing their job as envisioned by at least Hamilton (and did the others vet each others Publius writings?) between the 2.9 million more votes for Clinton and the Russian hacking they would make the obvious choice of voting for Clinton.

    They won’t, and thus the Electoral College is a total anachronism and should be dumped. I heard some pundit going on about what if the shoe were on the other foot. Well, if Russians had hacked to promote a Democratic candidate and the Democratic candidate had lost by 2.9 million votes anyway I would reluctantly concede that the Republican should by rights be president.

  21. ComradeRutherford says:

    “Where’s Oathkeepers?”

    Proof they have all been liars all along.

  22. ComradeRutherford says:

    Yeah, that’s not really that much of an improvement. Social Security will still be eliminated, minimum wage will be outlawed, union member will be jailed, women will still be property… We might not have an intentional launch of nuclear weapons just because someone wrote a nasty tweet about him.

  23. quax says:

    Couldn’t agree more. Pence political views are diametrically opposed to mine, but I am reasonably sure he isn’t owned by Putin. The same cannot be said of Trump.

  24. PattyJM says:

    If the EC were to select Clinton the thuggish behavior we’ve seen since the election would explode. Possibly into a second Civil War. I don’t think that the riots and hate crimes will rise to that level but there will be violence.

    One of the most frightening things about Trump’s followers is that they are devoted to him. Not to the country but to him, personally. If you’ve read any history of 1930s Germany there is a direct parallel between Hitler having the Nazis swear allegiance to him, not to the nation.

    Its time to dump Godwin’s rule and call a fascist a fascist.

  25. Dover Bill says:

    Then we’d be even worse off whth a Christofuck in charge.

  26. Zorba says:

    That would be a choice between Scylla and Charybdis. Ugh!

  27. Where’s Oathkeepers? Where’s the “Red Dawn” brigades of border militias?

    We are about to become Russia’s bit¢h over a Manchurian candidate with a KGB handler b named Melania. For Christ’s sake, his children are Donald, Eric, Tiffany and IVANKA!

  28. “Now is not the time to politicize this issue. We need to all get behind and support the elected president of the United States of America, who won the popular vote in a landslide! in fact, she won by more votes than any white man ever.”

  29. They should vote for Hillary. We can tell the deplorables: “sorry, but that’s just the US Constitution. Get over it. If you hate America so much, move to Russia!”

  30. Badgerite says:

    I think my die hard American optimism is cratering. I do believe Michael Moore is right and this guy is going to get us killed. ABT. Anybody but trump.

  31. AdmNaismith says:

    No- there will be more pushback if everything has Trumps name on it, than a seasoned pol like Pence.

  32. Naja pallida says:

    I think the Electoral College should all vote for Merrick Garland, just to bring us full circle as a nation.

  33. percysowner says:

    I would hate for Pence to be President, but he is less likely to blow us all to Kingdom Come. I don’t think the nation would survive Hillary being elected by the EC. I wonder if they could be talked into Kaine? He was on the ticket that won the most votes. He wasn’t attacked personally. He’s a white male. It won’t happen, but that might be the best outcome.

  34. Jimmy says:

    Considering the state of our country these days I don’t know that we could survive the EC choosing Clinton without wholesale bloody revolt among the deplorable. I’m also not so sure she would accept that herself. As much as I dislike Pence, and I really dislike that asshole, he wouldn’t be an utter buffoon like Trump.

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